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This claim is partly true.
But when the OS does not offer all the features required to get good performances from the apps, it is also partly wrong :-)

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Then, you'd have yet another kernel with no applications, no services, no drivers, no nothing.

Life is VERY hard for true unique operating systems. Name any of them that can be used for anything. And I mean REAL unique operaeting systems: Rule out everyone based in Linux, or having a Linux framework ported in (precisely, to get some useful software running).

Today's MacOS is UNIX-based. Then BeOS comes to mind... but it wouldn't count, as it enjoyed commercial status years ago. QNX is also quite unique, but it also has POSIX abilities, in order to enjoy "regular" applications from Linux. ReactOS is a Windows clone... Check the list at Wikipedia, and realize that being REALLY different is REALLY though...

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absolutely.

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As much as I got it back then when there was some mumbling about the QBox was that it would have been very similar to ABox. More or less a recycling of everything good from ABox (MUI, CGX, Reggae,...), but then go ahead and break with *full* API-compatibility by changing/replacing some compounds to get new features like SMP or full MP. ABox and QBox should have coexisted. But I guess these were only plans and nothing very particular.
Anyway, as I already wrote I am actually happy with MorphOS/ABox.

@takemehomegrandma
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More personal insults. Listen. There is no agenda. There is no attack. The voices you hear in your head are from a war long over soldier. Move on. The rest of us have.

@Piru
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It is your hobby. But the second you start taking serious cash and hiding behind a veil of secrecy it becomes more than just a hobby. Your team should really do some soul searching as to why the secret society thing is still continuing in this day and age of openness. Talk to your users. Interact with those that have given you thousands of hard earned euros. No, I haven't invested in MorphOS yet but it could happen if you guys opened up a bit and acted a bit more impartial and friendly and added the features I want to see (i.e. first post).

How about a simple roadmap on what is planned with MorphOS in the future? This used to be front and centre on the MorphOS web site seven years ago. The current web site looks pretty but has no mention of anything like this. I don't see any mention of the Quark kernel either nor the history of why the A-Box is the current focus. What happened to the 'Morph'?

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Move on yourself. And don't forget the door.

@ssolie

Plonk.

@ssolie

if you want to read fairy tales about memory protection, resource tracking and any other wishful thought, i guess you probably already know where you can find that. :)

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There have been around 500 MorphOS2.x registries so far, at 150 euros (or less if they got a early discount) 50 - 75000 euros, that's hardly enough to pay the salary of one software engineer let alone a whole team, even in Canada.


I find it ironic you say this, when the whole OS4 community you are heavily involved in is based around the 'secret society' thing..

Leadership. Where does the leadership for the OS4 community come from? Who speaks for the AmigaOS4 Community: Amiga inc or Hyperion? Bill McEwen, Ben Hermans or Evert Carton? (The Frieden brothers state they do not 'represent' Hyperion.)

Historically, Amiga inc and Hyperion were supposed to work together on OS4.. but it worked out that even they didn't communicate with each other. Development of the current OS4 should have been compiled on the VP from TAO instead of being PPC only. Amiga inc's internal developments such as 'Amiga Objects' should have had equivalent OS4 versions.

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I talk to morphos developers all the time on #morphos.

Openess: We all got to see pictures of MorphOS booting on a mac laptop.
Secret Society: Never saw any early OS4 booting on peg2 pictures



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I think we would all be happy if you didn't

And you can take that 'Grand Dragon' mentality with you..

@ssolie
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I have made exactly 0 eur from MorphOS (this includes 9 years of work).

Which part of the "no-one is making money out of it" didn't you get?
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Please don't.

Regarding being silent about unfinished things: You can whine all you want but this will not change.

[ Edited by Piru on 2009/3/3 9:28 ]

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That's quite surprising to hear. I bow to your commitment in working for free, especially for so long time.

@takemehomegrandma
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Unlike you on AW.net. I won't cry and run away no matter what anybody else says or does. Real men stand their ground.

@Darth_X
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Ever notice how as soon as nobody has any answers they immediately attack me as a person in some sad attempt to divert the line of questioning?

No, I don't find anything ironic. So far, the names that I fully expected to attack me have come forward. I was surprised it took you so long to jump on me and pound away.

@Fab
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Another attempt at diversion. Try harder.

@SSolie

But we already gave you the answers several times in that thread. So if straight answers don't work, we could hope some nice comparisons may help you understand. But apparently, they don't either. :)

@Piru
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You made tens of thousands of euros so far (according to Darth_X) and I expect you will be making tens of thousands of more euros when 3.0 is released. I'm talking about your entire development team. The fact you personally didn't take any of the money is irrelevent. You are a part of the team and therefore you are also responsible for taking the money as much as anybody else on the team; hobby or not.

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I can do whatever I want to do and you can do nothing to stop it.

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I'm not whining. I'm asking questions. It seems they are rather uncomfortable questions given the personal attacks I'm getting the more I ask them.

@Fab
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I've had no answers to why MorphOS is called 'Morph'OS or why none of the original features are in the OS or what the roadmap may be to add them.

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I welcome any comparisons but I'm talking about MorphOS and nothing else so what exactly are you comparing with? This is "Morph"Zone and I'm asking about "MorphOS" and nothing else here. Are you trying to divert the questioning again?

I've had no answers to why MorphOS is called 'Morph'OS

Just because these 5 letters form a name, not worse than any other 5 letters combinations.

[ Edited by Krashan on 2009/3/5 20:05 ]

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Do you think they were removed after the 0.1 version? No, they weren't.

@ ssolie

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The developers post frequently on various websites, run an official mailing list and are very often available on IRC talking to the MorphOS user base directly.

You have as much reason for criticizing the MorphOS team for not interacting with its users as I have for accusing you of child molestation, which hopefully illustrates how grossly inappropiate I find your accusation given the facts.

@ssolie
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Covering your ears and screaming "blahblahblah" is what real men do?

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MorphOS Team has always given quite a lot of information and their members are quite friendly. Of course, if you ask a question and they reply you and you ask again the same question they'll probably notice you don't want to understand and they'll ignore you.

In contrast with other OSes we have seen videos and/or photographs of MorphOS running in various platforms like MobileGT, Mac Mini, PoweBook, qemu... and MorphOS Team doesn't deny that these versions exist. They are quite open saying that ATM the focus is on A-Box. What else do you need to know? Quark may be expanded in the future but ATM the focus is on making A-Box great. And they are already demonstrating that they have done a great job.

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I still don't see the problem since MorphOS Team communication is very good. They decide to ask money? well, that's their choice and they deserve every single cent of it. They are going to port it to Mac Mini and they informed us about it. That's good. Mac Mini is an affordable and fast hardware platform.

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Piru has already told you that ATM the plan is improving A-Box. And it seems they have made it quite good since it's the fastest and most effective solution to run amigoid apps.

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They have already told you that ABox is current focus because it's important to have it finished before continuing the work in Quark.

I think it's the right choice since trying to add features like memory protection/automatic stack enlargement/multiuser/swap memory lacks any sense with AmigaOS architecture.

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MorphOS is the fastest Amiga compatible OS. And the one with the fastest apps too. When the Mac Mini version is released I don't think anyone wants to buy more overpriced L2cache-less computers.

@ ssolie

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The MorphOS graphical user interface is very flexible and adaptive. Thanks to the near endless possibilities as offered by MUI 4.x, MorphOS can "morph" into almost anything a user desires - without the need to rely on unofficial third-party hacks.

"Individualization" is surely a key aspect of MorphOS' general appeal. With this in mind, the term "Morph" fits rather well.

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Well, I think that at the very beginning, ten years or so ago, the name was chosen also because it was (and yet is) the needed metamorphosis (somewhat like a butterfly... here is explained the logo choice also) of Amiga to the NG, since the lack of official ways (of that time)...

> I think that at the very beginning, ten years or so ago, the name
> was chosen also because it was (and yet is) the needed metamorphosis
> (somewhat like a butterfly... here is explained the logo choice also)
> of Amiga to the NG

According to Frank 'pega-1' Mariak in an interview from March 2000 (German, beware), in December 1999 the name 'MorphOS' had been chosen because "the AmigaOS emulation task gives the OS another appearance". The 'Morph' part of the name didn't have anything to do with the butterfly genus Morpho (or butterflies in general). But with hindsight it did come in handy for choosing a meaningful logo.