What happened to original MorphOS goals?
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    Golem
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    How wrong am I?


    Why don't you take a look at a current MorphOS release?
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    > Is Ralph "laire" Schimidt still working in MorphOS?

    I very much hope so. At least it was "Ralph Schmidt Software Development" I sent the money for the MorphOS 2 keyfile to ;-)

    > it can be implied that every change in MorphOS occurs above Quark
    > (Laire's creature), so perhaps he isn't involved because it's not
    > really needed.

    Ralph did not only Quark, but most parts of ABox as well (apart from the things taken from AROS). Just do a "version full" on all MorphOS 2 components, search his name and look at the dates.
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    Very.
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    as much as it's possible to be.
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    Fab wrote:
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    The fact that 2.x is sold can be seen as a way to finance further platforms support and included sw licenses, but profit isn't really the aim there (it would be quite crazy to hope making profits in such a niche, really :)).



    I'd pay for a version of MorphOS2 for my A1 anyday. Will that ever happen?
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    No.
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    You guessed wrong.

    I don't see why your opinion is any better than mine. Unless of course you'd like to back some of yours up with some verifiable facts.

    Anybody can do terse little responses with absolutely nothing backing them up.
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    except that you're quite mistaken about the "bringing cash" leitmotiv.

    I think cash does have something to do with it. Otherwise, why ask for money at all? Why not just open source it if it is just for fun?
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    Your trolling attempts are very funny, please, continue.

    The war is over. Come to AmiWest this year and find out for yourself. Grow up.
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    I don't see why your opinion is any better than mine.

    It isn't an opinion. I was there when these decisions were made and discussions held. I can tell you with 100% certainty that all your guesses were wrong.

    I am not going to reveal any more details, because that is our policy regarding internal matters. They are... internal.

    Now, as far as I am concerned, I've talked about the topic at hand candidly. I consider this thread closed.

    [ Edited by Piru on 2009/2/22 20:53 ]
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  • ASiegel
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    I think cash does have something to do with it. Otherwise, why ask for money at all?


    Because developing and publishing MorphOS requires a certain level of investments in order to buy development hardware (and sometimes software) and to pay for an online infrastructure (server, domains), and so on.

    If you disagree with the development model (having users finance development hardware, etc.) and think everything should be free and open source, may I suggest you try AROS instead of wasting your time on MorphZone?
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    Feel free to download MorphOS ISO and check version strings.
    1 + 1 = 3 with very large values of 1
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    ASiegel wrote:

    Because developing and publishing MorphOS requires a certain level of investments in order to buy development hardware ...


    I totally agree. AFAIK it has been told that Bigfoot or some other core developer fried some Mac banging with OF trying to port MorphOS to this "alien" hw.
    So I, and many others, will be more than happy to pay a registration fee when MorphOS will be released for Apple hardware.
    I think it's true that MOS team is working mainly for fun and now that OS4 is ported to Peg I'm sure they're having so much fun viewing bench and also more fun reading all the excuses of os4 diehards for the poor performances of teh trueh amigaos :-)
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    Now, as far as I am concerned, I've talked about the topic at hand candidly. I consider this thread closed.

    You stated "Here is how I see it personally:" so I assumed it was only your personal opinion. Just stating I'm totally wrong and clamming up is your option of course. Not very professional, but then it is your option.
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    If you disagree with the development model (having users finance development hardware, etc.) and think everything should be free and open source, may I suggest you try AROS instead of wasting your time on MorphZone?

    I'm not disagreeing with anything. Do whatever you want. I'm not going to pay for MorphOS anyway. 8-)

    I wanted to know what happened to SMP and all those other really cool features for MorphOS. After seven years of development I would have expected something to be shown by now. What I'm finding out so far is that MorphOS has pretty much lost its "Morph" capability completely. It is a one trick pony now and that trick is called a-box. That bothers me because I think the real power of MorphOS is not emulating some 80's platform but by doing something brand new. I suppose we could say MorphOS was ahead of its time. It had a form of virtualization even before it became practical. It is a real shame that feature seems to have been forgotten.

    Maybe I should rephrase my original question, has MorphOS lost its Morph?
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    Feel free to download MorphOS ISO and check version strings.

    I don't see why that would have anything to do with the original MorphOS feature list and why it seems all the investment has gone into the A-Box and nothing else.
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    I don't see why that would have anything to do with the original MorphOS feature list and why it seems all the investment has gone into the A-Box and nothing else.



    I thought you wanted to know if Ralph Schmidt is still involved.

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    Maybe I should rephrase my original question, has MorphOS lost its Morph?



    No, it hasnt. It is morphing all the time :-)
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    > I thought you wanted to know if Ralph Schmidt is still involved.

    That's been jcmarcos, not ssolie :-)
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    > After seven years of development

    First public MorphOS release was in August 2000. Development started in 1998.
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    You stated "Here is how I see it personally:"

    It was related to my initial reply only. I wanted to highlight the fact that this was not the official stand of the whole morphos team (although many feel quite the same as I, I think).

    On the other hand the reply where I stated you were full of shit (regarding your guesses) was official.

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    Not very professional, but then it is your option.

    This is my hobby. See if I care.

    [ Edited by Piru on 2009/2/27 9:42 ]
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    I think it's true that MOS team is working mainly for fun and now that OS4 is ported to Peg I'm sure they're having so much fun viewing bench and also more fun reading all the excuses of os4 diehards for the poor performances of teh trueh amigaos


    i think you see them as more evil and machiavelic than they are  8-)
    oh and to be fully honest with this part, poor performances are about the apps, not the OS.
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    ssolie wrote:

    It is a one trick pony now and that trick is called a-box.


    You try hard to make it sound like the only purpose with MorphOS was the concept of A-box and *not* what's inside it. Do you really think anyone here cares the slightest about the specifications of the Quark microkernel? It's what is *inside the box* that matters to everyone here, not the box itself. Your persistent posting about this makes your agenda shine through, and it's kind of laughable.

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    That bothers me


    Yes I'm sure! :lol:

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    because I think the real power of MorphOS is not emulating some 80's platform but by doing something brand new.


    It's not a retro OS. MorphOS *is* doing something brand new, it's *leading the way* in its category! The "80's platform" thing is the foundation, but on top of that everything is brand new. If you fail to see that you are either blind, or... something else.
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    takemehomegrandma wrote:
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    ssolie wrote:

    It is a one trick pony now and that trick is called a-box.


    You try hard to make it sound like the only purpose with MorphOS was the concept of A-box and *not* what's inside it. Do you really think anyone here cares the slightest about the specifications of the Quark microkernel? It's what is *inside the box* that matters to everyone here, not the box itself. Your persistent posting about this makes your agenda shine through, and it's kind of laughable.




    Well, I care about Quark and would have liked it to see QBox materializing. Well, we got a good compensation for the de facto non-existant QBox: the best AOS compatible OS. But ABox will stay with some of the cruicial AOS limitations. No way around that. So in this regard I think ssolie's question is not too lousy. And while earlier posts by him over here were often quite cheap attempts to stir someting up, I think thisparticular question is not the worst.
    But as Piru pointed out already, things didn't turned out as they might have, but are just fine as they actually are. The situation at the beginning of the millenium was drastically different. During that time there was a chance that MorphOS could have become something bigger. We know that this didn't happen and after a deep and fundamental crisis MorphOS is now on its track. Some strange nerds use and love it, some even more extreme nerds develop this (don't they have a live ;-)) and we all enjoy ourselves. Sometimes we may dream for a while about how the whole story could have gone if everything would have been golder and if there would have been less FUD and less unfortunate things. But that's life.
    Well, the story has not ended yet... World domination is close ;-)

    [ Edited by Zylesea on 2009/2/27 10:48 ]
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    Zylesea wrote:

    Well, the story has not ended yet... World domination is close ;-)





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