MorphOS on MacMini - Who's bought their Mini already?
  • MorphOS Developer
    jacadcaps
    Posts: 3277 from 2003/3/5
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    I just cannot think of thrashing my OSX license.


    Excuse me?

    Anyway, while the default installation of MorphOS isn't going to support dual boot directly, you can still prepare your HD manually in a way to allow this easily (a HOWTO is going to be provided on the MorphOS CD). Afair the Disk Utility of Leopard can move / resize partitions, so you can easily prepare the mac Mini for MorphOS without having to reinstall OSX.

    While a WLAN driver might come at some point, do not think we're going to waste our time on modems.
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  • Order of the Butterfly
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    DiskDoctor
    Posts: 306 from 2009/4/17
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    Quote:


    jacadcaps wrote:
    Anyway, while the default installation of MorphOS isn't going to support dual boot directly, you can still prepare your HD manually in a way to allow this easily (a HOWTO is going to be provided on the MorphOS CD). Afair the Disk Utility of Leopard can move / resize partitions, so you can easily prepare the mac Mini for MorphOS without having to reinstall OSX.



    That's what I did on my last OSX reinstall - I made a separate 10G partition hoping that I would be able to install MOS on it directly as it shows up.

    So I guess now I won't have to reinstall OSX, right?

    BTW not sure but I think Leopard installs on Intels only, last PPC system was Tiger I guess.

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    While a WLAN driver might come at some point, do not think we're going to waste our time on modems.


    You don't waste time since you're paid for it. Feel free to add some 5$ to the final price and then I think you can live with it. Besides analog modem support doesn't seem a tough coding challenge, and never been so. Remember that Pegasos users always wanted to have their HW support anything, Mac HW isn't much different on that. FireWire is kindda pointless, while the rest depends on time-to-applicability factor. Hence I understand wifi is a question mark now. BTW I just realized that my Mini version has no modem :-) Still I think modem shouldn't take much time.

    One more about WiFi - I disagree with some opinion above that wifi without WPA is useless. I use WiFi at home and I might turn passwords off if that enabled MOS on Mini wifi usage. Two phases maybe then?

    [ Edited by DiskDoctor on 2009/8/21 10:57 ]
    Was: Mac Mini PPC running MorphOS 2.4
    Now: Amiga Forever 2010 with AmiKit and AmigaSYS
    Not used: Icaros Desktop 1.2 (reason: no wifi)
    Planned soon: an OS4 system
    Shortly then: a MOS notebook (wifi is a must-have)
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  • Acolyte of the Butterfly
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    Painkiller
    Posts: 128 from 2007/11/19
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    BTW not sure but I think Leopard installs on Intels only, last PPC system was Tiger I guess.


    Leopard installs just fine on a PPC Mac Mini. Snow Leopard will be the first that won't support PPC macs.
  • »21.08.09 - 07:35
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  • MorphOS Developer
    jacadcaps
    Posts: 3277 from 2003/3/5
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    So I guess now I won't have to reinstall OSX, right?


    No, you'll just have to split the spare partition into a small HFS partition for the boot.img and another one for MorphOS. You'll even be able to boot it using the OpenFirmware's boot menu :)

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    You don't waste time since you're paid for it. Feel free to add some 5$ to the final price and then I think you can live with it.


    And do you think the extra revenue would pay for the time we'd have to spend to get it done ? A driver also needs some work on the TCP-IP stack level and preferences - time we could use for something more productive and something that'd be actually used by someone. A modem surely isn't something that's going to be useful to more than a few people. Too few to bother.

    A WiFi driver isn't planned for the first mac Mini release, mostly because it's optional for an unportable device to which you can easily connect an Ethernet cable. We'll surely add one before releasing a PowerBook / iBook version where it is a must-have ;)
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  • Yokemate of Keyboards
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    Zylesea
    Posts: 2079 from 2003/6/4
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    jacadcaps wrote:
    We'll surely add one before releasing a PowerBook / iBook version where it is a must-have ;)



    Hear. hear...
    Kind of semi official announcement, huh? ;-)

    [ Edited by Zylesea on 2009/8/23 14:46 ]
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  • Paladin of the Pegasos
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    pampers
    Posts: 1061 from 2009/2/26
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    A WiFi driver isn't planned for the first mac Mini release, mostly because it's optional for an unportable device to which you can easily connect an Ethernet cable. We'll surely add one before releasing a PowerBook / iBook version where it is a must-have ;)


    That'a a pitty for me as i like have as less wires as it possible at home ;) Anyway - fact that i will have MorphOS running on MacMini is winning with few meters of ethernet cable :)

    Jaca - don't spread any rumours about PowerBook or iBook version as you know what's gonna happen now :)
    MorphOS 3.x
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  • MorphOS Developer
    jacadcaps
    Posts: 3277 from 2003/3/5
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    @Zylesea, pampers

    Just your interpretation of my words ;)
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  • Paladin of the Pegasos
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    SoundSquare
    Posts: 1214 from 2004/12/1
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    wifi support would be nice, but right it's not a priority.
    The thing that will bother me the most is that i'll have to change my apple bluetooth keyboard as it is likely that there won't be any BT support in MorphOS.
    MorphOS is about to add a lot of wires....

    i'll survive to the cable jungle : )
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  • Paladin of the Pegasos
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    Didnt expect wifi support, not much of a big deal for me though, my mini didnt come with it. I went cheap on it since it was being used as a media centre.
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  • Acolyte of the Butterfly
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    Posts: 115 from 2008/9/29
    Wifi support will be a great thing for me and my house...  :-)

    Thanks.
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  • Yokemate of Keyboards
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    amigadave
    Posts: 2795 from 2006/3/21
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    WiFi would be nice, but I agree that it should be completed after the initial release (if at all) and not have it's completion delay the initial release of MOS for MacMini.

    I am hopeful that the release is getting close, say between the next 1 to 4 months, but I know that there will be no confirmation of a release date until the team says it is ready to do so.

    My hopeful feelings are just that, wishful feelings and nothing more, as I have no information which would indicate how far along the team is or how close they really are to being satisfied that enough features of the MacMini release are stable and complete for them to declare it ready for public consumption and put it up for sale.

    I am just like many others here that are excited and anxiously waiting to try MOS out on our G4 PPC MacMini's as soon as possible.
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  • »21.08.09 - 15:46
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  • Order of the Butterfly
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    Posts: 227 from 2009/4/28
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    Maybe wifi by some usb cards would be easy than the exclusive mac airport.
  • »22.08.09 - 12:57
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  • Just looking around
    salaxi
    Posts: 2 from 2009/8/17
    It'd be a shame not to support the Airport, since this is not just "any wifi" interface, but the one most Mini owners are obviously equipped with. I suppose that most Mini buyers were looking for the feature when judging which model to buy. Oh well, as long as it can be planned for the future i won't worry too much.. but then, who knows? We'll just have to wait 2 more weeks and see what happens!  :-)
  • »23.08.09 - 04:36
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  • MorphOS Developer
    cyfm
    Posts: 596 from 2003/4/11
    From: Germany
    An Airport driver won't be provided by MorphOS anytime soon. There is simply noone working on it and it doesn't look like anyone is going to in the near future.
    Anyone who thinks that it's a must have or that it's an easy task to support now that some people have reverse engineered it's specification or have written an open source driver for it, may feel free to develop a sana2 device driver once MorphOS MacMini is released .....
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  • Acolyte of the Butterfly
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    Painkiller
    Posts: 128 from 2007/11/19
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    pega-1 wrote:
    An Airport driver won't be provided by MorphOS anytime soon. There is simply noone working on it and it doesn't look like anyone is going to in the near future.
    Anyone who thinks that it's a must have or that it's an easy task to support now that some people have reverse engineered it's specification or have written an open source driver for it, may feel free to develop a sana2 device driver once MorphOS MacMini is released .....



    Yeah maybe it would be better to support a generic USB Wlan stick so that people could enjoy them on any MOS system. Even if we never get a driver there is always the option to buy a RJ45-Wlan converter. Tough it would be really nice if Airport on Mac Mini would be supported :)
  • »23.08.09 - 08:36
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  • MorphOS Developer
    jacadcaps
    Posts: 3277 from 2003/3/5
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    @salaxi:

    Judging by 2nd hand sales, most mac Mini didn't come with the AirPort.
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  • Just looking around
    amif1team
    Posts: 16 from 2007/6/30
    From: Lvov / Ukraine
    Put me on the list too!

    I just bought MacMini G4/1.42GHz/1GB/80GB !

    I hope I can soon replace my Pegasos 1...

    Wait for MorphOS...
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  • Paladin of the Pegasos
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    pampers
    Posts: 1061 from 2009/2/26
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    Pega-1: The thing is that we are going to pay about 150 quid for morphos for mac mini - i think that makes a difference somehow.
    MorphOS 3.x
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  • MorphOS Developer
    cyfm
    Posts: 596 from 2003/4/11
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    pampers wrote:
    Pega-1: The thing is that we are going to pay about 150 quid for morphos for mac mini - i think that makes a difference somehow.


    If you think that puts you in a position to demand Airport WiFi support for MorphOS Mac mini, better spend your money elsewhere ....
    You pay for what you get and not what you expect for the value actually, no one forces you to do so ........
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  • Paladin of the Pegasos
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    pampers
    Posts: 1061 from 2009/2/26
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    I didn't said that i demand Wifi support for Morphos on Mac Mini. I said that it would be nice to get it and i and probably loads of people will pay for that with pleasure.

    I understand that MorphOS is kind of exclusive system but at the very end i'm the customer which want's to leave my money with MOS Team.
    MorphOS 3.x
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  • Acolyte of the Butterfly
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    Posts: 128 from 2007/11/19
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    Please release MorphOS for Mac Mini soon. The more I wait the more I use Leopard (btw IMO OSX has guite an Ami :xxx: approach to things) and the more I use the more I grow to like it :) Soon I'll be forced to buy a real x86 Mac

    :pint:
  • »27.08.09 - 03:45
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  • Order of the Butterfly
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    Posts: 227 from 2009/4/28
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    Dont do it!!!! resist with your ppc macmini.

    PD: I agree, release morphos soon please. =)
  • »27.08.09 - 10:22
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  • Yokemate of Keyboards
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    amigadave
    Posts: 2795 from 2006/3/21
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    Painkiller wrote:
    Please release MorphOS for Mac Mini soon. The more I wait the more I use Leopard (btw IMO OSX has guite an Ami :xxx: approach to things) and the more I use the more I grow to like it :) Soon I'll be forced to buy a real x86 Mac

    :pint:


    I know the feeling. I started using Mac's about 5 years ago with the purchase of the last model of the Titanium PowerBook and have now upgraded to an x86 Core2Duo 2GHz MacBook for everyday use and two MacMinis. One x86 Mini for my car to use with a GPS antennae for navigation and for entertainment and one G4 PPC Mini currently being used as a DVD player for movies in my home until the MorphOS port for it is completed and released.

    MacOSX is so much better than Windows it makes me want to get rid of my main work from home Dell computer (as I cannot get it to boot OSx86 yet) and replace it with a new, or nearly new Core2Duo iMac.

    Amiga & MorphOS are great for fun and I have hopes for MorphOS to continue to improve and become more than just a hobby OS someday, but for everything else MacOSX works for me and my new iPhone is fantastic. Apple really got the OS and interface right on the iPhone. No other phone can compare to the way the iPhone works.
    MorphOS - The best Next Gen Amiga choice.
  • »28.08.09 - 15:21
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  • MorphOS Developer
    Henes
    Posts: 507 from 2003/6/14
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