I am looking to update my history timeline of operating systems at OS History specifically AROS and MorphOS.

I am currently very confused as to how these OSes interrelate and would like some more information about their history and releases.
AROS/MorphOS

Thanks for your help
Paddy

Useful information here: Amiga history guide, The history of the Pegasos.

@undermine:

both AROS and MorphOS have to be seen as stand alone OSes.


They are both inspired by AmigaOS. MorphOS used some parts of AROS in the beginning to fill some gaps, but that's all.

So mixing them together under AmigaOS as one single OS is wrong, IMHO.

Thanks for your help. I have done some re-organisation added some more release dates to the tables.

Both AROS and MorphOS are under the Amiga section.

However I am still trying to work out if there are missing versions. Was there a version of MorphOS between 0.4 and 1.4, whether 1.4.1, 1.4.2, 1.4.3 were ever full releases.

I normally count beta releases and full releases if the information is available.

Thanks for your help.

Paddy

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Sure, there was also 0.9, 1.0, 1.1, 1.2, 1.3 and maybe others too.

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Ouch!!

MorphOS->AmigaOS as:
Linux->Unix

minus being free, probably it's more like:
AROS->AmigaOS as:
Linux->Unix

Sometimes when you write something late at night and come back and look at it in the morning you say OUCH yourself.

I have done a quick update to the following (the first three lines were already there) :-
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That still is not right but it is definately better than an error. When I get a chance I will write a full intro.

Thanks for spotting it.

Paddy

Found a reference to MorphOS 1.0 12/2002 and 1.4.2 6/3/2004 but still looking for dates on the others.

Thanks for the help

It is almost good, except that MorphOS is not open source, and it is not started off from AROS, but it just uses some code from AROS. The difference between them is that AROS runs on standard PC's, and MorphOS runs on classic Amiga hardware with PPC accelerator cards and on Pegasos, which is a PPC based computer made by Genesi.

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V1.0 is older, IIRC from late summer 2002 - dunno the exact date, but in December I had it running already for some time. It was released when the first Betatester sytsems were shipped.
Since MOS 1.2 the system became very usable, that was IIRC in early 2003.
The V 0.8 was quite famous on the CyberstormPPC cards, it still lacked Ambient, but seemed to be guite good.

Just seen the 0.4 date on your page. 0,4 is much older, must be from 1999 IIRC (wow long ago, but I still remeber quite well how cool it was when I booted up MOS 0.4 for the first time, I was really using the 0.4 version, only the 2h time restriction was very annoying .

A brief overview about the history of MOS is to obtain from here. http://www.operating-system.org/betriebssystem/_english/bs-morphos.htm


Btw. www.operating-system.org is quite a nice site to get informed about many OSes.

[ Edited by Zylesea on 2007/2/26 11:25 ]

Thanks. v0.8 appears to be the version used to demo the Pegasos mainboard which would make it 8/2001 if not earlier.

I agree www.operating-system.org is a good place to get info but their version listing is incomplete so all information is welcome. As you can see from my main diagram I have not updated it with MorphOS and AROS is a bit vague. Hopefully with your help I can locate the documentation required to rectify this.

Warning Note: This PDF will slowdown some viewers
Non-Unix Operating System Timeline pdf

Thanks

Paddy

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I think I see what I got confused. Ambient is now GPL. MorphOS is not. But Ambient 1.41SE was released with MorphOS 1.4.5 (bundled?)

I think I also missunderstood what AROS is which does not help.

Thanks

Paddy

[ Edited by UnderMine on 2007/2/26 11:44 ]

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In a thread over at another site, I once put down some milestones in the development of MorphOS, OS3.x and OS4.x, and their respective relations to each other in the timeline:

LINK.

While doing that it struck me what a gold-mine ANN.lu is for anyone searching for info about the past in Amiga-land. Go there and browse back in time!

Hadn't thought V 0.4 was that "young" (Feb 2001)... When thinking back, I'd rather thought it was belonging to the old millenium.

Looking back, I would say that 1.3 was probably one of the "big" releases. At that time, it seperated what was a foundation to something fairly usable.

Here's a list of release dates

V 1.0 (BetatesterII release). 24-10-2002
V 1.1 ___ 13-12-2002
V 1.2 ___ 10-02-2003
V 1.3 ___ 27-03-2003
V 1.4 ___ 09-08-2003
...
V 1.4.4 ___ 28-03-2005
V 1.4.5 ___ 01-05-2005

that's what I got.

Thanks a million for that it helps a lot.

Thing are definately a lot clearer now but can anyone confirm or clarify a couple of issues :-

Was ever a v1.0 other than Betatester II. I have a release date of december 2002 mentioned when Betatester II was released but v1.1 was released that december?

Did v1.4.3 even see the light of day?

v1.4.1 is mentioned in the v1.4.2 release at http://ann.lu/detail.cgi?category=&file=1078594484.msg but I was unable to find out any more about it.

Versions 0.3, 0.5, 0.6, 0.7 and 0.9 appear to have never seen daylight either is this right?

Thanks and with your help I might even be able to piece this all together

Paddy

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As I recall, MorphOS "1.4.1" - "1.4.3" was mostly about bugfixes/Pegasos2 adaption? These "releases" was essentially 1.4.0 with just one or a few files changed, and a user with MorphOS 1.4 already installed didn't need to download the whole OS-image, just the changed file(s).

Version 1.4.1 was released in conjunction to the Pegasos 2 release (23-Dec-2003). AFAIK the only difference was an updated boot image, adapted for the Peg2. (Link1, Link2).

The release of MorphOS 1.4.2 was announced 06-Mar-2004 (Link). Some bugfixes.

I think "1.4.3" happened in Oct 2004? Wasn't it about fixing some issue with printing?

IMHO, 1.4.4 and 1.4.5 was definitely more than what 1.4.1-3 had been, with *lots* of updates to many important OS components and even a few new features!

Unfortunately I currently have no access to my MorphOS ML archive; I know that a lot more info is available there...

@UnderMine

When it comes to MorphOS exclusive news in a chronological manner (like seen on ann.lu (which is a site containing Amiga, MorphOS and AROS news in a mix)), morphos-news.de is a good source for info. Worth mentioning among the reference links perhaps? Also this site, of course!

An interesting site you have there by the way!

@undermine

Yes, 1.4.3 did see the light of day, it was just bumped by 1.4.4 really soon after it was released. And, as mentioned, 1.4.2 and 3 were mostly bug fixes. IIRC, 1.4.3 became available around Oct 31, 2004 (though it could have been early Nov.).

Thank you everyone for the feedback.

The new version of the operating system timeline will be available mid-April.

It already has almost 50% more information than the previous version at 1500 OSes and versions. It is currently looking at being 2.5mx4.5m when printed full size. Anyone got a big printer I can borrow ;)

Thanks again

Paddy

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Actually MorphOS started off from scratch. It was all new code, inspired by AmigaOS. Early MorphOS was developed on Amigas with PowerUP PPC accelerators. MoprhOS was developed to be AmigaOS binary compatible from the beginning. In fact it was required since the development stage used m68k AmigaOS Kickstart ROM modules and replaced them one at a time with PPC native ones. Finally when all modules were done, the original Kickstart ROM was no longer needed This compatibility also meant we could easily use our existing development tools and practices. In many cases MorphOS could even share the boot partition with AmigaOS, with only very minor modifications. Eventually most if not all components were replaced with PPC native MorphOS ones, however.

AROS contributed early on to some components, such as dos.library, gadtools.library and intuition.library (as part of "kickstart" replacement). Before this, however, the original, unaltered AmigaOS Kickstart components were used (the original Kickstart ROM found from all Amigas).

Later, AROS was used to fill some of the gaps (some commandline commands, utilities, disk based libraries etc), when other plans failed.

I'm not trying to undermine the AROS' importance, but it's clealy wrong to say that MorphOS would have started from the AROS code.

Sorry for the nitpicking...

[ Edited by Piru on 2007/3/23 10:47 ]