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  • Acolyte of the Butterfly
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    artickfox
    Posts: 101 from 2004/4/17
    Do you know this strange and nice machine?

    http://c64upgra.de/c-one/

    Maybe a day it can emulate old Amiga Classic... 8-)
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  • »18.10.05 - 10:45
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    accolade
    Posts: 16 from 2005/6/12
    Hi! I think it's not able to rebuild an Amiga because it's 8 bit based. But Amstrad/Schneider CPC, Sinclair ZX 81/Spectrum and of course Commodore 8 bit machines are possible and afaik already realised.

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    Raf_MegaByte
    Posts: 430 from 2004/10/10
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    @ Artickfox

    You wrote:

    >Do you know this strange and nice machine?
    >
    >http://c64upgra.de/c-one/
    >
    >Maybe a day it can emulate old Amiga Classic...


    Stai pazziando vero?

    Are you joking or what?


    CommodoreONE is a 8 bit machine, and even old Amigas are 16/32 hybrid machines.
    (They are not fully 32bit due to nature of 68000 CPU by Motorola as produced in that times. 68000 works internally at 32bit and externally at 16bit, with memory addressing at 24bit).

    No any 8bit machine even faaaaaster could emulate it in any way.

    (Well, to be honest a very very very vey very fast 8bit CPU could emulate Amiga if some dirty tricks are used)

    C=One, it is a good all purpose machine, a good emulator for old 8bit OSes and software, and could be a good "terminal" computer for very large based economic LAN into offices and Universites.


    But I have another dream based on C=One.

    Jeri Ellsworth, the lady who creates C=One she is a genius of hardware.
    She proved she is capable to shrink entire C64 onto a single chip.

    I hope someone with lots of money, somewhere, somewhen will hire her, and ask her to produce a VGA videocard full compatible with actual AGP8x and PCI-Express graphic card for computer, digital-TV + HDTV compatibile BUT ALSO WITH full Amiga Graphic Chipset (Old + ECS + AGA + AAA) capabilities, without 2MegChipRam limit as a bonus.

    That one will be a very killer gaphic card... Very, very, very versatile and useful.

    But she should receive proper money in order to have her job payed well...

    ...and mainly she should also have full access to original Amiga blueprints and/or some actual blueprints of any actual ATI or nVIDIA graphic cards.

    Immagina una scheda video tuttofare che permette di usare modalità grafiche fullVGA-XGA, etc. e in più di accedere a tutti i modi grafici Amiga, anche quelli mai usati, senza che la memoria grafica Amiga abbia il limite di 2 megabyte di Ram.
    Ti asscuro che Jeri Ellwsworth è capace di realizzare tutto ciò! :-D

    Ciao,

    RAF

    [ Edited by Raf_MegaByte on 2005/10/18 20:13 ]

    [ Edited by Raf_MegaByte on 2005/10/18 20:19 ]
    Bill Gates "Think!", Steve Jobs: "Think different!" So... Let these guy continue blabbering thinking and enjoy computing! We are on Amiga!
  • »18.10.05 - 12:06
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    artickfox
    Posts: 101 from 2004/4/17
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    Raf_MegaByte wrote:
    @ Artickfox

    You wrote:

    >Do you know this strange and nice machine?
    >
    >http://c64upgra.de/c-one/
    >
    >Maybe a day it can emulate old Amiga Classic...


    Stai pazziando vero?

    Are you joking or what?



    - Be, ho sbagliato a dire "emulazione", questo si. :P Ma questa macchina possiede la CPU centrale cambiabile, mentre gli altri chip per grafica/suono sono riprogrammabili.
    Se al posto del 6510/z-80 si potesse inserire il 68000, e si potrebbe riprogrammare i due chip per renderli un Agnus e un Paula, si potrebbe gia' avere un Amiga...

    -Well, i have wrong to say "emulation" there... howerer, this machine have a replecable CPU, and other two chip are reprogrammable.
    So, instead of 6510/z-80 should placed a 68000, and that two chip reprogrammed to simulate Agnus and Paula chips, maybe we have the base for an amiga...
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  • »18.10.05 - 16:08
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    Posts: 408 from 2004/7/15
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    artickfox wrote:

    -Well, i have wrong to say "emulation" there... howerer, this machine have a replecable CPU, and other two chip are reprogrammable.
    So, instead of 6510/z-80 should placed a 68000, and that two chip reprogrammed to simulate Agnus and Paula chips, maybe we have the base for an amiga...


    No since CPU bus is still 8-bit data and 16-bit address and you can do nothing here.

    P.S. May be suggest Jeri to make another open-design board with 32-bit bus and Marvell implementation in the FPGA able to run MorphOS? :)
    iPod, iBook, iMac,... iRobot?
  • »19.10.05 - 11:04
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    Darth_X
    Posts: 571 from 2003/2/10
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    If you're talking about FPGAs, how about an FPGA with an embedded *PowerPC*
    When you have eliminated all which is impossible,
    then whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth!!! - Sherlock Holmes
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    judas
    Posts: 175 from 2005/1/14
    From: core of universe
    Hi,
    yes, you can build a powerpc into an fpga.
    (you can get a lots of designs (ARM, 8051..) if you like)
    Unfortunately the performance is slow (40Mhz ?), and you don't get near the real PowerPC.
    The C-one seems to have its main CPU as a single chip and just use the FPGA for custom chip-design, as far as I understand the design ...
    .. but where doesn the CPU for the emulations of the other machines come from ???
    bye
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    Darth_X
    Posts: 571 from 2003/2/10
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    Unfortunately the performance is slow (40Mhz ?), and you don't get near the real PowerPC.


    " Embedded 450 MHz, 700+ DMIPS RISC core"

    Its more powerful processor than is in the Powerup boards in A1200s.



    [ Edited by Darth_X on 2005/10/19 21:45 ]
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    then whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth!!! - Sherlock Holmes
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