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I don't have an account anymore on the corporate sites, so I'll ask here. Anyone successfully get OS4.1FE running on WinUAE? Is there anything that makes it worth it over OS3.X with PPC extensions? Is PPC support under WinUAE any easier to set up than it was when it was first introduced? What are the limitations of OS4.1FE on WinUAE? Do I understand correctly that RAM is limited to 128MB? Does W3D work with PPC support enabled?

Thanks.

It's not a biggie to install it but you need firmware from the PUP-card and PIV to make it useable atm.

You can find a good how-to here : http://thomas-rapp.homepage.t-online.de/os41uae/index.html
The VRAM limit in PIV-emualation (4MB) makes the resolution rather limited if you are used to bigger screens.
The RAM limit is also a problem, but I know that Toni Wilen is working on a solution for both of this.

The how-to on the network section in Tomas page can be ignored now when later beta-releases of WinUAE emualtes PCI-bridge (just select GREX-PCI and RTL80xx).

Havn't tried if Wazp3D works since I'm not much of a game player =)

I only use it to verify my cross compiles, it's rather snappy on my i7-machine but I find 3.x much more familiar and fun to use when it comes to AmigaOS.

Not gonna try it (neverevernever), but UAE only emulates a CS-PPC on the HW (you'll need to download the flash-ROM from some questionable sites) therefore the limitation to 128MB (OS4 does not see Z3-RAM).

OS4-P96 still supports 68k drivers, allowing the UAEGFX one to run (so no 3D). Asssigning a separate Voodoo,Permedia or Radeon to UAE does not work.

All in all, a little less useless compared to running it on real HW in some aspects, completly useless in everything else.

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Are you sure this works ?

I'm quite sure I saw OS4FE_RC1 on WinUAE running in better than AGA GFX.

I'm also quite sure noone wrote a PPC native version of UAEGFX.

I'm actually 100% sure that people running it on actual Amiga-HW but lacking PCI have to resort to 68k drivers for the likes of Cybervision64, Picasso2/4 etc.

From what I understood, every extension like uaegfx won't work with the PPC emulation since it requires the 68k (don't ask me why :)).

You can use a Picasso IV with PPC emulation. It is emulated by UAE (and limited to 4mb Vram).

You cannot have more than 128mb memory since there is no os4 driver for the cybppc scsi extension.

Tony said supporting more memory could easily be done but requires a new OS4 build for that, which is very unlikely.

> UAE only emulates a CS-PPC on the HW [...] therefore the limitation to 128MB

AFAIK BPPC with 256 MiB can be emulated as well, but only without SCSI emulation and thus with slow disk access.

> OS4-P96 still supports 68k drivers, allowing the UAEGFX one to run

AFAIK this doesn't work.

> You cannot have more than 128mb memory since there is no os4 driver for
> the cybppc scsi extension.

What does RAM have to do with SCSI? Besides, there is an OS4 driver for CSPPC SCSI. The one lacking is BPPC SCSI.

I've got it running well. It's enough to get a feel for it if your wanting to play, but not sure it feels as well as on real hardware. It's certainly slower feeling than my MorphOS systems are.

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Nothing. I was wrong. It's indeed the bppc SCSI that cannot be used. And I thought you couldnt use the ram found on the SCSI extension if you didn't use it.

[ Edited by Leo 17.10.2015 - 06:59 ]

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Off-topic discussions are fine. Depending on the volume of off-topic discussions, there might be a need for s separate forum category at some point but it has not been necessary so far.

Hello

With WinUAE-ppc you can have OS41FE but only 128 MB
(or use the other card model that have 256MB but is so slow so useless )

Resolution is limited due to low VRAM

uaegfx and other 68ktox86 drivers (like WaZp3D) dont works with the PPC emulation so no hardware acceleration
(this is because in OS4 the 68K is emulated with the PPC so not emulated with WinUAE directly. So drivers cant go 68k to X86 )

Also OS41FE Classic dont have the CompositeTags function : the kind of super-blitter used in most AmigaNGs 2D games

Like uaegfx you dont have the uae driver for disks so you cant share a directoty PC <-> Amiga

You can use WaZp3D and PatchCompositeTags with sofware rendering but it is more a POC that something really usefull (except for coders to compile/test their own NG programs)

Alain Thellier - Wazp3D

> you need firmware from the PUP-card

Seems Cloanto is illegally distributing the PowerUP ROM in Amiga Forever 2016:

http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=de&tl=en&u=http://www.amiga-news.de/de/news/comments/293877.html

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More than a little surprising, given the fact that Cloanto has spent many years working thoroughly with copyright- and IP ownership issues. They should really know better.

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I asked Mike Battliana and he said the csppc ROM is fully licensed. See attached screenshot.

https://onedrive.live.com/redir?resid=F56294EAB6802908!577&authkey=!ANc5GQ2LJkYXEC8&v=3&ithint=photo%2cjpg

[ Edited by Intuition 19.12.2015 - 22:15 ]

>> Seems Cloanto is illegally distributing the PowerUP ROM in Amiga Forever 2016:
>> http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=de&tl=en&u=http://www.amiga-news.de/de/news/comments/293877.html

> I asked Mike Battliana and he said the csppc ROM is fully licensed.

Interesting :-)

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What does it say about our community that 95 times out of 100 people are assumed to be guilty until proven otherwise, instead of the opposite?

It is sad that we have experienced so much failure and dishonesty that many of us now assume that most people are dishonest, or guilty of something, or that any project is vaporware, or will ultimately fail.

Edit: This is not an accusation about any one person, and given the included message from Ralph, I would have questioned the legality of the included ROM's too. I am just stating the general impression I get from many people in our community.

[ Edited by amigadave 19.12.2015 - 18:41 ]

amiga-news.de is in contact with both Mike and Ralph, more to follow in a news-item probably today.

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It seems Ralph has replied and confirmed that the statement in question (post #22) was indeed posted by him:

http://amiga-news.de/de/news/comments/293896.html

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It means that 95 out of 100 times people have claimed to be innocent they turned out in fact to be guilty. Most of that 95% would either be Hyperion or Amiga Inc, although there are a few DCE, Genesi and Phase5 in there.

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Oh, that and Cloanto having a history of not giving a shit.

> amiga-news.de is in contact with both Mike and Ralph, more to follow in a news-item
> probably today.

Mike has replied, acting like Ralph's comment in that thread doesn't exist:

"Ralph kindly gave his permission to use the Cyberstorm PPC firmware/ROM in Amiga Forever way back in 2014."
http://www.amiga-news.de/de/news/comments/293927.html

He's also talking about "half-truths" and I'm not sure if that's referring to Ralph's claims. Really confusing.

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Unfortunately, it says more about the community than it does about those making the assumption.

And, Ralph's permission for this software's inclusion points out another fallacy that is often spread amongst Amiga users, that MorphOS developers don't care about the community as a whole.

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Yeah.

But I choose to believe the IP owner here, especially so since his view and policy regarding this has been consistent and unchanged for a very long time. Others tried before Cloanto, and they basically got the same answer as Ralph Schmidt posted on amiga-news.de; the ROM's won't be part of new commercial third party packages, they are freely available for download by individuals from Aminet, and that's it. With all this in mind, and now seeing how he simply repeat his well known stance, and on top of that explicitly proclaim that Cloanto does not have a license and that they are distributing the ROM's illigally, it leaves no room for doubt IMHO. The rightful owner of the IP say it's not OK, as he always has done in the past. This part is not confusing at all, it's 100% crystal clear.

What is confusing is Cloanto's vague answer, as you said "pretending that Ralph Schmidt's posts aren't there". A very strange thing to do, when being asked a direct question on a serious matter like this.

It looks a bit like KennyR wrote above - Cloanto just don't give a shit.

Anyway, it looks like this is the latest example of using IP theft, copyright violation and piracy as a way to develop or improve or increase value or inrease marketability of OS4 and its peripheral packages.



http://www.biclodon.com/misc/amigafarm/benhermans/

> they are freely available for download by individuals from Aminet

Are they?

If Ralph sues them for infringement and gets their assets awarded to him as payment that would make him the legal owner of the Amiga operating system Workbench trademark.

"Amiga Workbench 4.0" has a nice ring to it for the version after next of MorphOS. ;)