*shrug*

Mine survived 10 years, good chance that it won't be affected anytime soon.

> Radeon X1900XT for Powermac

X1900GT :-)

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Thanks!

> Have there been any recent statements on if these models will be supported?

http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=de&tl=en&u=http://www.a1k.org/forum/showpost.php?p=906855

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So who is the analogkid?
BTW - That post was particularly vague.

To be more pointed, Frank asked me not to bring it up again because I'd made a positive statement about the timeline for this myself (which was purely speculative).

I think its going to happen, but I'm not bringing it up again.

When its ready, they will release it.

How do you know its not part of the next release?
After all, both the SAM460 and the X5000 have PCIe slots, so why not support the late '05 G5s?

> So who is the analogkid?

https://morph.zone/users/1340.html

> That post was particularly vague.

Yes, that's because the context is missing in single-post view. My bad, sorry. Please use this link to the thread instead:

http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=de&tl=en&u=http://www.a1k.org/forum/showthread.php?p=906676

> How do you know its not part of the next release?

I don't. Analogkid seems to think it will be part of 3.10, that's what I linked to. As to how he knows you'd have to ask him.

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Sadly, nothing has changed since my last post in this thread (09.10.2015). Mac Radeons X1900 are hard to find and it would not very professional from Team point of view to ask users to seek for Radeons with PC bioses and reflash it and deal with problems after reflashing. The second problem is question how many users would register this version. Doing this version for 10 users is not the option. One can Create a poll, it would be nic to know how many users would buy it.

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Probably much more than registered Sam460 users ;)

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Thanks Andreas,
3.10 sounds like a strong possibility.
I stopped asking as I didn't want to bug anyone about what seemed to be the natural course for MorphOS.

I do have a system ready, and would register it though.

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Since the team has been working on the port to the X5000, which also has PCIe for video card, wouldn't it just make more sense that they will also improve the support for RadeonHD PCIe video cards by completing 3D support, as well as improving the existing 2D and compositing support (is compositing support already completed for RadeonHD cards)?

That would make more sense to me than doing any additional work on X1900 video cards which are hard to find.

I suppose that getting new RadeonHD video cards to display the Mac Open Firmware is the problem with this solution, as I am unfamiliar with what current video cards are supported by MacOSX, and any support that currently exists would likely not help in an old G5 PCIe PowerMac. Hopefully there will be some kind of work around to give us good choices of video cards to put into the last generation of G5 PowerMacs running MorphOS, if MorphOS is indeed ever ported to such G5 systems.

The work needed to accomplish such support for the last few G5 systems might be better spent working on the x64 version of MorphOS.

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Current MorphOS version displays (indeed with no accelleration whatsoever, not even 2D, but at least it *displays*) on:

AMD Radeon HD 2400
AMD Radeon HD 3450
AMD Radeon HD 4350
AMD Radeon HD 4550
AMD Radeon HD 4650
AMD Radeon HD 5450
AMD Radeon HD 6450
AMD Radeon HD 6570
AMD Radeon HD 7570
AMD Radeon HD 7570

To me, this is a statement of commitment. Especially considering their earlier policy of not even showing/allowing an un-accellerated display until the 2D/3D accellerated support was finished. IMHO they wouldn't even have included this display-only support in the public release if they weren't working on a follow-up release with proper support.

They are supporting Sam460 and X5000, they are aware of what GFX cards that owners of these boards have/will have.

Besides, proper support for these GFX cards (and later) will be mandatory for the x64 migration, it can't happen without it. This I think also speaks in favor of proper support being imminent.

Regarding the question "if", I think it's a safe bet. "When" is probably the real question here. I'd say in release 3.10. I believe much speaks in favor of this. Maybe it's even this that is holding the 3.10 release back?




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Amen!

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Reflashed Radeons are not supported and never will be supported. However, you can use a R500+ Radeons on MorphOS with the original firmware, even in a Mac, so any such thing would be completely pointless anyway.

> you can use a R500+ Radeons on MorphOS with the original firmware,
> even in a Mac, so any such thing would be completely pointless anyway.

What about display of OpenFirmware prompt and graphical boot menu?

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Obviously you don't get that.

>> What about display of OpenFirmware prompt and graphical boot menu?

> Obviously you don't get that.

Thanks. I was just puzzled by your notion about it being "completely pointless" :-)

Well then, to make it clear to anyone who might be wondering about the boot menu question... You don't need a boot menu to run MorphOS on a PCIE G5 machine with an R500 graphics card with its original (x86) flash. Thus modifying the flash on an R500 graphics card would be pointless for running MorphOS.

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AND the Apple X1900GT is available which gives us an R500 based card capable of displaying Open firmware prompts.
I have one, but would probably use a PC X1950XTX instead.

If you want more power than the X1900GT you have to give up easy access to Open firmware, so I'll keep the X1900GT as a backup if I need to do that, and move up the ladder as our remarkable developers improve the drivers for the HD Radeon cards.

[ Edited by Jim 21.01.2016 - 10:08 ]

Oh, and a quick note, I have not found Mac Radeons to be hard to find at all.
9600 cards are everywhere at really low prices, 9800 cards are over priced but available, X800XT cards can often be had at better prices than the 9800s, and X1900GT cards can be had for about $100.

[ Edited by Jim 29.01.2016 - 13:25 ]

The simples solution is not dual video card? Original Apple card for OpenFirmware and Osx, and another card (normal RadeonHD pc card) for Morphos. With two monitors or switch.

P.s. second video card is also good for linux

[ Edited by marmotta 02.02.2016 - 10:32 ]

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That would depend on how MorphOS initiates video cards, as MorphOS can only use one Radeon card.
If the card you want to run OSX or Linux with initializes before the card you want to run MorphOS on, your solution won't work.

I have a PCIe riser with a molex power plug that I may modify for this use.
Add a switch to turn off the power, no card is seen and the OS will boot off the PC card.

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You can swap the radeonhd on pcie 16x and original Apple Nvidia on 8x, linux go without problems with RadeonHD.

Look this tread:

Ubuntu Forum

Edit: the best for compatibility is use RadeonHd on 8x pcie

[ Edited by marmotta 02.02.2016 - 18:36 ]

Photo of PowerMac G5 PCie from the AmiParty in Chelm/Poland :)

Photos from meeting

(pmac g5 with blue competition pro joystick)

[ Edited by zukow 25.02.2016 - 09:49 ]

Which Powermac?

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That would work, Radeon PC card for MorphOS and Nvidia Apple card for OSX.
If you connected both to the same monitor you could probably limit your system to one display without using a VGA or DVI switch.

> Photo of PowerMac G5 PCie from the AmiParty in Chelm/Poland :)
> [...]

Splendid :-)

(original resolution)