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  • Priest of the Order of the Butterfly
    Priest of the Order of the Butterfly
    vox
    Posts: 524 from 2003/11/25
    From: Belgrade
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    takemehomegrandma wrote:
    (First, this is not directly a MorphOS related post, I actually meant to post this at Amiga.org, but it seems eliyahu has banned me for no apparent reason, so I'll post it here instead (in the "General Discussion" forum))



    It could also mean (if Cloanto agrees to this) that any past, present or potential future Retro HW/HW Emulation projects (like Jens Schönfeld’s “Clone A”, the MiniMig, NatAmi, etc, etc) can have a legal Workbench distribution to go with them. “Amiga in a Joystick” anyone? It could also mean that any new/improved features (like “Super AGA” or whatever) in potential new hobby machines like the NatAmi could have real support from a bundled Workbench that’s both complete and perfectly legal. In other words, new WB versions with new native features for new HW! ;-)

    I’m actually a little surprised that nobody really picked up on this Amiga-News.de article about Cloanto is now owning the OS (and has been for a while), that there were no big discussion about it!

    In my eyes this is huge for anyone interested in Real Amigas, for retro, for emulation, and potentially for new FPGA based “Amiga” machines that could possibly introduce new custom chipsets with new features. Or for anyone that has been dreaming about further development of Workbench for Amiga!

    Workbench for the Future?

    :-)


    Well, while I cant object to the analysis of AmigaOS/Workbench branding,few reminders are:
    a) WORKBENCH AS TRADEMARK NAME: Workbench was and is a GUI name, as in LoadWB command. Even it wasn`t called AmigaOS back in CBM days, AmigaOS kind of associate whole package, so I don`t see it "that wrong". Surely, I agree Workbench name is copyrighted to Cloanto and could be (re)used if not being what Workbench is in AmigaOS 4.x (meaning: could be used for some other OS package). What and who deserves such title is other topic :-) At the time C=USA tried to use it for their later CommodoreOS I was strongly against it, because it was just repacked Linux Mint (while I wouldn`t object if they used very nice Linux Mint as it was, I was just against hijacking the name,pretending to be something they develop).

    b)LEGAL EMULATION THING

    Hereby, I am also saying licensing legal KS/WB packs for emulation packages was something Cloanto/Hyperion/AmigaInc could make a revenue earlier for smaller fee (meaning not just Amiga Forever but AmiKit, FSUAE, WinUAE, EUAE as complete packages). They would do better and we would have easier packages and less piracy.

    It came in the end for massive phones market, as AmigaForever Essentials Android for 0.99$, but as 2013.
    http://www.retrothing.com/2013/05/amiga-forever-on-android.html

    Note: It also ends with OS 3.1, but for gaming/emulation purposes, just enough


    c) SHOULD WE BE SO CRUEL ON QUICK AND DIRTY CD ROM BASED 68k WORKBENCH/AMIGAOS PACKS THAT EXTENDED 68k ERA: AmigaOS 3.5,3.9 aren`t just "addon packs" as some of the core OS libraries were updated or bugfixed (when we count in BoingBall packs). Its essential OS update bigger then e.g. OS 3.0-3.1 update + what has become a 3rd party community standard meanwhile (Which was good). WB nostalgia includes all the historical info, needs just an update on OS 4.1 development after update 3 http://www.gregdonner.org/workbench/ To me it wasn`t just "CD filler" but saved a lot of patching time and I was happy to pay for it.

    Sadly, since OS 4.x and AROS progress wasn`t based on lost in limbo OS 3.9, some things had to be worked again, and some aren`t yet fully implemented.
    Nice comparison from AROS 68k perspective vs OS 3.5 is here http://www.aros-platform.de/html/aros_comparation.html

    d) 68k PROGRESS FOR FPGA/EMULATION PURPOSES:While there was some potential in 68k development, last I have seen were these noble pages + brave Aminet 68k developers

    Easy patching OS 3.1
    http://lilliput.amiga-projects.net/BetterWB.htm

    Patching KS
    http://lilliput.amiga-projects.net/ROM_modules.htm

    Updates/bugfixes to OS 3.9
    http://lilliput.amiga-projects.net/bbag4.htm
    http://lilliput.amiga-projects.net/TechDetails.htm

    Personally, I like either only standalone updated product like AmiKit, or steady development of AROS 68k and its Kickstart replacement file. Even I find Wanderer ... errr ... ugliest :-) I see and understand its a far ahead of plain OS 3.1 (and all those other patches) as well as I respect AROS itself has in bits and pieces helped both MorphOS and AmigaOS 4 development :-)

    So I nominate brave AROS Vision distro as "68k for the future"
    as most consistent and upated 68k distro for non emulation purposes (as clearly stated on their website)
    http://www.natami-news.de/

    Sadly, some games and apps still don`t work with KS repla
    http://www.natami-news.de/html/compatibility.html
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