I understand that also, but my point is new potential MorphOS users such as audience of the Pi devices could try a 35 EUR MorphOS on a Pi device (if such device exist) but what if potential new users enjoy MorphOS very much that they also desire it on a larger computer? (one with 10+ USB ports for example or something impossible for a Pi device)

For such a theory to be possible, entry level compatible Pi device must exist, and then mid level device must exist also. Currently no MorphOS compatible mid level device exists either. (SAM computer, PowerPC Laptop Notebook, etc.) But this theory could attract new MorphOS users. (targeting the audience of Pi devices)

From what I know of audience of Pi device: the user base is large and growing increasing larger. How difficult to establish a Pi foundation? How difficult was the Raspberry Pi and Banana Pi foundations to become into existence?

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Uhm... haven't we already had cheap lowend device (Efika, you can even buy it new still) with cheap licence. I guess it's quite close what you mean by "Pi" here.

Then we have all range of Macs for example, from cheap mid range to higher range, and licence cost is cheaper for mid range and highest only to higher range.

I may not have read all of this thread with thought, but what should be different?

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That existing hardware works with MorphOS 3.7:
Powerbook models
IBook models,
Powermac G4 models
" G5 models
MacMini G4 models
and so on...

With MorphOS 3.8 works:
SAM G4 (New Hardware !!!)

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Updates to OS itself might be free, but updates to any 3rd party software, where old version is not compatible with the latest OS version might not be

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Well, or on an emulator free of additional charge. That is serious competition (for the occasional hobby non mainstream OS user).

I would welcome a price of 79.- for a license regardless of the target. The 111.- may look a bit arbitrary. That said I never regreted having paid 111.- two times (Efika and Powerbook) and 150.- once (mini) for MorphOS.

> With MorphOS 3.8 works: SAM G4 (New Hardware !!!)

What's a "SAM G4"?

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Although it seems to be quite crippled under emulation currently. No 3D, not enough memory for OWB, etc. It's mainly to check OS, but not for real use. But I admit that even I've been thinking to pick it up for that price, even if I won't be using it. Just in case if I need to test some code or something like that in OS4 environment. It clearly is much easier step to take for 30e than 100e if one has any interest, and probably results users who will stay too.

I for one is a bit put off by the 111 euro price. MacOSX and Windows 8 both sell for less and gets support and updates for free for years to come. I had hoped and somewhat expected the price would have been between 30-40 euro, and if so I would have payed straight away. But 111 euro for an OS running on hardware so old it might die any day, and if it dies the licence is lost with it? Thats a bit steep of a price for me, although I must admit I might still pay it in the future some day. But I certainly think its a risk to do so.

That said, it is a nice and fast OS. I have grown fond of it. I am a bit annoyed by how hard it is to run Amiga games on it though. E-UAE could really use a more user friendly GUI, and maybe an easier way to install it. For now I will be spending my money on actuall Amiga hardware instead.

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MorphOS already has 6 years of free updates... and do you really think you can compare prices between an OS that sells in thousands with OSes that sell in millions ?

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If your hardware has died, you've been able to transfer the licence to new one for free.

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I recommend you spend your money on a SAM computer. It can be considered "Actual Amiga Hardware" which MorphOS will eventually support.

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Yes that is what I also want to know.
Will there be a new SAM board with G4?

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What is a SAM computer and where can I get one? And would it be able to run Amiga games directly with the right software?

> I recommend you spend your money on a SAM computer [...] which MorphOS will
> eventually support.

It should be mentioned that it would have to be a Sam460 then. Sam440 won't be supported by MorphOS, according to what's been said.

> What is a SAM computer and where can I get one?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sam460ex
http://www.sam4x0.com/sam460ex.html
http://www.acube-systems.biz/index.php?page=hardware&pid=5
http://www.acube-systems.biz/index.php?page=hardware&pid=756
https://acube-systemsbiz.serversicuro.it/shop/en/5-sam-motherboards

> would it be able to run Amiga games directly with the right software?

It may not be fast enough for all old Amiga games running in emulation via E-UAE, even with JIT.

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Oh well, thanks for the links though. I will keep an eye out.

@Caldor

It does cost a lot though. Especially considering the price/performance ratio. But there are not many PPC based consumer mother boards out there so Acube do deserve some credit for that.

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SAM Computer is a product line of mother boards or logic boards. Recently, they are sold as complete systems. They vary slightly and MorphOS is supporting it with future release of MorphOS update. They will only support one or perhaps two SAM. aCube manfuctures the SAM computer

They have
SAM 440
SAM 460
SAM 460 EX
SAM 460 CR

These are all desktop computers.

AmigaOne BoingBall keyboards and mice are sold by AmigaKit. This will help with Amiga experience, instead of Windows or Macintosh keys.

Currently, no laptop or notebook device exists, except for the used iBook G4 and the used PowerBookG4. Myself and others are campaigning at http://forum.powerpc-notebook.org/ for new laptop and notebook device.

I have not yet played a classic Amiga game. I am interested in the classic Amiga version of Pushover.
(G.I. Ant finding the dog's bags of crisps) Because the new Pushover has horrid music and horrid sound effects compared to classic Pushover.

However, MorphOS contains backwards compatibility with classic Amiga. Later, this will be replaced with an emulator just like VICE, Wii, DOS BOX, Amstrad, MAME, etc. All are available for MorphOS and can be downloaded easily with Grunch.

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You probably wanted to know if it's more compatible with Amiga games than other NG options on hardware level. No, it isn't. It's only considered a little bit more as "amiga" hw, because it's made to be used with OS4, but in practise it isn't any more compatible than Mac with MorphOS for example.

> Recently, they are sold as complete systems.

Complete Sam4x0 systems have been sold since the beginning 7 years ago.

> MorphOS is supporting it with future release of MorphOS update. They will
> only support one or perhaps two SAM.

Yes, only Sam460.

> They have
> SAM 440
> SAM 460
> SAM 460 EX
> SAM 460 CR

That's a little confusing. It's more like this:

Sam440
-- Sam440ep
-- Sam440ep-flex
Sam460
-- Sam460ex (incl. Lite version)
-- Sam460cr

> MorphOS contains backwards compatibility with classic Amiga.

...for OS-friendly software, that is. This excludes most old games, which have to be run via UAE.

Only registered today to post here..

I've often considered MOS and did try it and liked it on a Mac Mini.

I WONT buy it.. its crazy expensive IMHO. I would at €29-39. If I wanted to use MOS I would just use it for 30m and reboot. I suspect very few people buy it cos of the high price. If it was a sensible price you'd see many old Mini and G5 computers sold on eBay for old time Amiga users who would spend a bit to have a play.

Whether you get 3x sales, I don't know.. but whoever sets the price has to ask themselves.. are we getting enough sales already? You want NEW sales. Those who paid €111 are not paying again. They are done. They have been milked. Maybe now milk a cheaper market?

Look at the other OSs

Linux - free
Windows - moving to a service model. You can buy Win10 for €20 (yes you can!)
OSX - now free with the hardware but previously €20 or so. My OSX was £14.99 I think?

Do you want to make sales, grow your userbase or not?

OK. I'm done. Doubt I will be back. You can all feel great about MOS, all 20 of you or whatever. Another potential MOS user put off.

Or I'll just use the 30m restricted one forever. You made nothing from me. Great job!

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Don't let the door hit you on the way out.

Is there such a thing as rage registration?

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One of the guys over at amigaworld is a psychologist I think, we should ask him lol

The problem nowadays is that everybody wants a fucking handout in the Amiga "world". Do they not have a JOB? If not, maybe they should get a second job because they cant afford buying an OS. $123 for MorphOS is alot? Then use the demo and reboot. This isnt a one man job, its many over the course of years worth of work. IMO, $123 for my PB to register was cheap considering $123 will be divided in quite a few ways. So maybe a dev gets $5 and another gets $5 or maybe more depending on their contribution. I laugh when people complain about something being too expensive, especially MorphOS.

The price should *never* be lower. Keep it where its at.