Update:

> https://morph.zone/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?forum=3&topic_id=7001&start=745
>
> I can imagine that Varisys base the Nemo successor(s) on their VM400 product,
> which would mean that the 2 new A-Eon systems could be a cheaper lower end
> system with P3041 chip running at, say, 1.2 GHz, and a more expensive higher
> end system with P5020 chip at 2.2 GHz, all using the same basic board design
> thanks to the pin compatibility of the chips.

A slide from Trevor's AmiWest 2012 presentation (direct link, Youtube) reads like this:

"Future PowerPC Possibilities
[...]
- e500mc : 32-bit, quad-core - Mid-level machine
- e5500 : 64-bit, dual-core - Power machine"

This goes very much in line with my speculations above. A quad-e500mc chip (running at 1.5 GHz, which Trevor mentions in his talk) would mean either the P3041 or the P4040 (P2041 wouldn't be pin-compatible), and a dual-e5500 chip (running at 2.2 GHz, also mentioned by Trevor) would mean either the P5020 or the P5021.
The codenames for those two Nemo successors seem to be "Cyrus" and "Breezin" (don't know which is which). Trevor adds: "These will not be ready for a long time."

Update:

>> the e6500 looks less likely now with the lowered clock speeds

> Comment regarding Trevor's AmiWest 2012 presentation:
> "They were talking about the brilliant future with ppc dual core e6500"
> http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=36670&forum=16&start=100#685249
>
> (...with "core" meaning "thread" here obviously). So I still think A-Eon eventually
> aim for the e6500 core

From Trevor's AmiWest 2012 presentation (direct link, Youtube) on the prospect of A-Eon products based on chips with e6500 cores:

"That will be my wildest dreams. That will be a real replacement for the X1000 down the road, but that's not gonna be in the next year or two."

Addendum:

>> https://morph.zone/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?forum=3&topic_id=7001&start=745
>>
>> I can imagine that Varisys base the Nemo successor(s) on their VM400 product,
>> which would mean that the 2 new A-Eon systems could be a cheaper lower end
>> system with P3041 chip running at, say, 1.2 GHz, and a more expensive higher
>> end system with P5020 chip at 2.2 GHz, all using the same basic board design
>> thanks to the pin compatibility of the chips.

> A slide from Trevor's AmiWest 2012 presentation (direct link, Youtube) reads like this:
> "Future PowerPC Possibilities
> [...]
> - e500mc : 32-bit, quad-core - Mid-level machine
> - e5500 : 64-bit, dual-core - Power machine"
>
> This goes very much in line with my speculations above. A quad-e500mc chip
> (running at 1.5 GHz, which Trevor mentions in his talk) would mean either the P3041
> or the P4040 (P2041 wouldn't be pin-compatible) [...]

Apparently, the P3041 is more likely than the P4040 to be able to share a motherboard design with the P50xx:

http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=37074&forum=14#693507

Andreas_Wolf,
Quote:

Good thinking. I'm not sure they've even considered this yet.
Hopefully, Paul will have done a similar analysis or they check out that comment.
I'm convinced that you're right and that one board that could serve multiple CPUs at a variety of price ranges make the most sense.

> Good thinking.

...performed by olegil over at amigaworld.net :-)

> I'm not sure they've even considered this yet. Hopefully, Paul will
> have done a similar analysis or they check out that comment.

Looking at Varisys' VM400 product, which I've been referring to every so often here during the last 3.5 months, I'm sure that they have not only considered this but have even implemented this very idea already.
Whether they will use this idea for new A-Eon products can only be speculated of course, but it wouldn't make sense not to, especially considering that A-Eon has quasi-announced both a cheaper lower-end e500mc-based product and a more expensive higher-end e5500-based product to be released concurrently.

Update:

> APM86691 and APM86692 ("Black Mamba") got announced running at up to 1.4 GHz:
> http://investor.apm.com/phoenix.zhtml?c=78121&p=irol-newsArticle&ID=1702760
> http://www.apm.com/products/embedded/multicore460/apm86692/

Not only was Green Mamba degraded from announced 1.5 GHz to 1.2 GHz, now also Black Mamba seems to have been degraded from announced 1.4 GHz to 1.3 GHz:

"In fiscal 2012, we introduced the APM8669x "Black Mamba", the highest performance member of our second generation of PACKETpro embedded processors. While PACKETpro is our second-generation of embedded processors, it is the first to feature offload acceleration of critical features at performance levels up to 1.3 GHz."
http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/711065/000144530513001456/amcc0331201310-k.htm


Edit: Now also reflected on their new website:

"The Green Mamba offers all of the capabilities of the Black Mamba with the exceptions that it supports two GigE ports and a 1.2GHz max processor frequency. [...] The Black Mamba family consists of single and dual core processors that operate [...] to 1.3GHz."
http://www.apm.com/products/embedded/mamba-family/

[ Edited by Andreas_Wolf 28.10.2013 - 23:32 ]

Update:

> The codenames for those two Nemo successors seem to be "Cyrus" and "Breezin"
> (don't know which is which). Trevor adds: "These will not be ready for a long time."

2 new mainboards, both having "CYRUS" written on them:
http://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/1053269_644611952215860_764920679_o.jpg
(confusingly enough, "Breezin" seems to be both the codename of the Cyrus v1 and v2 boards and of the complete Cyrus v2 system, as well as a reference in old Commodore Amiga tradition that was also followed with the Nemo board.)

PCB schematics and other pictures:
http://obligement.free.fr/gfx/cyrusplus_prototype2.jpg
http://obligement.free.fr/gfx/cyrus_prototype1.jpg

"Cyrus is the MicroATX board [...] and Cyrus+ is full ATX just like the current X1000."
http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=37872&forum=16&start=20#711574

"I can confirm that there's no south bridge on boards."
http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=37872&forum=16&start=40#711587

"Both boards have a P5020. Trevor said that I P5040 will be an option at some point. The Cyrus, MicroATX board had the SOC mounted on a small carier card so it may be that they have already been using a P5040 in testing on that board."
http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=37872&forum=16&start=40#711591

"The current hope is to have beta testing programme ready for around the time of Amiwest."
http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=37872&forum=16&start=40#711600

"The two Cyrus boards were the first & second prototypes (the second barely being finished in time for the show). [...] it sounded like they've got some flexibility/choice on which CPU they eventually end-up using anyway."
http://www.amigans.net/modules/xforum/viewtopic.php?post_id=80220#forumpost80220

"Cyrus will have a 5020 CPU, which is dual core, and runs at 2GHz. It takes DDR3 RAM. Eventually it should also run a 5040, which is pin-compatible, quad-core, and runs at 2.4GHz. (This CPU is very new, so they are awaiting pricing, availability, etc.) So the Cyrus design should last a long time. They hope to start beta-testing it by AmiWest, but it won't be on sale for a long time (perhaps a year or more). It will require entirely new motherboard drivers, but at least for beta-testing they will likely use PCI(-E?) cards for sound & networking. Cyrus is planned to be a full ATX formfactor, but they MAY also do a smaller version (undecided)."
http://www.amigans.net/modules/xforum/viewtopic.php?post_id=80222#forumpost80222

"The first prototype was the smaller board, the second prototype was the full-sized ATX board. So there COULD be two boards, it isn't decided yet. No doubt they will eventually have one board with different CPU options (e.g. dual-core & quad-core)."
http://www.amigans.net/modules/xforum/viewtopic.php?post_id=80224#forumpost80224

Further information from an Interview with Trevor on CYRUS:
- Xena/Xorro is onboard
- the older (and smaller) one of the 2 prototype boards is from 2012

Close-ups of the CYRUS+ board:
http://oi43.tinypic.com/1zbtlk9.jpg
http://blog.a-eon.biz/blog/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/CyrusPlus.jpg
http://obligement.free.fr/gfx/cyrusplus_prototype.jpg
http://amigaone.files.wordpress.com/2015/04/x5000_radek_01.jpg
http://amigaone.files.wordpress.com/2015/04/x5000_radek_02.jpg

From Trevor:
"While the AmigaONE X1000 remains A-EON's flagship product, we were also there to see the latest prototype of a new motherboard that we had commissioned Varisys to design. The new board, codenamed Cyrus Plus, will be an eventual replacement for the Nemo board. The revision 2.0 prototype contains a Freescale P5020 CPU which is a 2 GHz, 64-bit dual-core PowerPC SoC. The Cyrus Plus board will also accept the new P5040 when it becomes commercially available in greater volume. This is a 64-bit quad-core PowerPC Freescale CPU which operates up to 2.4 GHz. As with Nemo, the new board will now undergo a rigorous testing phase before a small batch is produced for developers. Once that process is complete an additional batch of boards will be manufactured for a reduced beta test programme, which all being well will commence towards the end of this year. The first Cyrus prototype board was completed at the end of last year. It's replacement, the Cyrus Plus 2.0 was delivered to Varisys just two days prior to the show and both prototype boards were on display at the Silicon Dreams show [...]"
http://blog.a-eon.biz/blog/?p=3943

"it will have a Xena/Xorro combination. [...] unfortnately the smaller factor board did not really reduce the cost of manufacture very much ..especially when you factor in NRE
So we decided to concentrate on the larger board for the timebeing. [...] We took a concious decision a while back to provide sound with a PCI or PCIe card."
http://www.intuitionbase.com/trevor_irclog.txt

"The Cyrus development is the future replacement for the Nemo motherboard when the supply of P.A. Semi CPUs finally dries up or the price becomes commercially unviable. The Cyrus board was the original Revision 1.0 prototype and was completed towards the end of last year. Cyrus Plus is the Revision 2.0 board which includes additional PCIe and PCI slots. The Cyrus design is based on the Freescale P5020 CPU which is a dual-core 64-bit PowerPC SoC. It also supports DDR3 RAM and includes an improved Xena/Xorro combination. [...] we are including Xena/Xorro capability on the future Cyrus hardware."
http://obligement.free.fr/articles_traduction/itwdickinson2_en.php

"Two prototype boards for future AmigaOne machines were on display. The Cyrus and its first revision, the Cyrus 2.0 /Cyrus +, are evolutions of the Nemo board from the AmigaOne X1000. [...] AmigaOS 4.1/4.2 onwards is not the only OS being considered, and although the Cyrus+ started as a revision of the first Cyrus, serious thought is being put into developing both board sizes to final product, both of which can use Freescales 5020 dual-core 64-bit PPC processor and its 5040 quad-core bigger brother, among other CPUs."
http://amigaone.files.wordpress.com/2013/08/micro-mart-july-18-2013-uk-silicon-dreams.pdf

"Cyrus entered development a little while ago and at Silicon Dreams 2013, Trevor from A-Eon put Cyrus (Mk 1) and Cyrus+ (Mk 2) boards on display. The Cyrus Plus 2.0 [...] is a larger (fullsize ATX) board than the Cyrus micro-ATX board, and although it's officially the mark-two version of the board, Trevor is not ruling out the development of both board sizes. [...] The Cyrus Plus 2.0 is designed to take SoC processors from Freescale's P50x0 line with the 2GHz 64-bit dual-core P5020 being the initial target CPU, although it will support the P5040 quad-core 2.4GHz unit when commercially viable. [...] We're talking second prototype here, though, so testing, development and then a small run for a closed beta test will have to take place before a release candidate is selected, so 18 months at the least. [...] The next motherboard for AmigaOS (which may also support MorphOS and Linux)"
http://amigaone.files.wordpress.com/2013/08/micro-mart-15-august-2013-cyrus.pdf

Edit: Added some more quotes and info.

[ Edited by Andreas_Wolf 25.10.2015 - 14:53 ]

Any further information available on the T1042?

> Any further information available on the T1042?

None that I know of.

>None that I know of.

Pity, the lower end chips look interesting.

With Trevor locking into the P5020 and P5040, we miss some of the features included in later Qorlq products.
And the lack of AltiVec is regrettable.


[ Edited by Jim 26.07.2013 - 02:48 ]

> Trevor locking into the T5020 and T5040

I guess you're thinking far ahead here ;-) T5 may not even come.

Sorry, I forgot about that.
Corrected.
I also really like to e6500 cored products.

We could still use a vendor that sells relative "low-cost" systems like Acube (but with more powerful processors).

Update:

> Seems it's being worked on for Sam460ex as well:
> http://gitorious.org/aros/aros/commits/sam460
> http://aros-exec.org/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?post_id=72012#forumpost72012
> http://aros-exec.org/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?post_id=72034#forumpost72034

"I did the Sam 460ex port for ACube, but I received little user interest, and have since passed on my development platform to another AROS team member. So, I don't think there will be any Sam460ex updates, at least from me. [...] I do not feel that the PowerPC architecture is commercially viable in the long term (personal opinion here!)"
http://www.intuitionbase.com/jason_irclog.txt

Can't say I blame him.

> Any further information available on the T1042?

https://morph.zone/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?topic_id=8473&forum=11&start=66

Update:

>>> https://morph.zone/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?forum=3&topic_id=7001&start=745
>>>
>>> I can imagine that Varisys base the Nemo successor(s) on their VM400 product,
>>> which would mean that the 2 new A-Eon systems could be a cheaper lower end
>>> system with P3041 chip running at, say, 1.2 GHz, and a more expensive higher
>>> end system with P5020 chip at 2.2 GHz, all using the same basic board design
>>> thanks to the pin compatibility of the chips.

>> A slide from Trevor's AmiWest 2012 presentation (direct link, Youtube) reads like this:
>> "Future PowerPC Possibilities
>> [...]
>> - e500mc : 32-bit, quad-core - Mid-level machine
>> - e5500 : 64-bit, dual-core - Power machine"
>>
>> This goes very much in line with my speculations above. A quad-e500mc chip
>> (running at 1.5 GHz, which Trevor mentions in his talk) would mean either the P3041
>> or the P4040 (P2041 wouldn't be pin-compatible) [...]

> Apparently, the P3041 is more likely than the P4040 to be able to share a motherboard
> design with the P50xx:
> http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=37074&forum=14#693507

"A-EON Technology commissioned Ultra Varisys to create a new generation motherboard, codenamed Cyrus Plus, built around Freescale’s P3 and P5 QorIQ series of PowerPC processors. [...] The board is pin compatible with several 64-bit Freescale QorIQ CPUs including the P3 P3041, an e500mc quad-core CPU running up to 1.5 Ghz and the P5 series P5020, an e5500 dual-core running up to 2.0 Ghz. The P5040 quad-core CPU which operates up to 2.4 Ghz should also be compatible."
http://www.a-eon.com/18-10-2013-3.pdf

Maybe someone should tell A-Eon that the e500mc core is not a 64-bit core but a 32-bit one :-)

"3 New AmigaOne Computer Systems
AmigaOne 3041, 5020, 5040"
http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=38284&forum=2&start=20#719651

Addendum:

> about native AROS/PPC on the X1000:
> "AROS is now running on PPC SAMs & Sam Crow has said he would see about
> getting it going on the A1 & X1000, something I asked about at Amiwest."
> http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=36695&forum=16&start=120#686212

"that aros guy [...] said that iff anyone would lone him an xone1000 then he could do aros to ppc easy and that it could be implanted to os 4.0 way use time on that when hyperion is allso using recorse on that all ready now"
http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=38284&forum=2&start=40#719698

Update:

> "Cyrus is the MicroATX board [...] and Cyrus+ is full ATX just like the current X1000."
> http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=37872&forum=16&start=20#711574

Seems like the mATX variant has been dropped for good and only the ATX variant will make it:

http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=33223&forum=14&start=700#720342
http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=33223&forum=14&start=700#720380
http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=33223&forum=14&start=700#720382

Quote:

Hope soon MOS will be out for SAM460ex.

Will it support onboard sound, gfx and FPGA or will it require external ones?

What could be use of NAND Flash and how much does it cost?

Onboard SATA is embarrassment since its 1 device only.

Quote:

Since X1000 is publicly declared not to be MOS target due to CPU and other limits of Nemo design, will Cyrus be of any interest?

Quote:

Interesting, just like MOS Team said SAM460ex NEVER, now AEON sells Nemo board, sadly after I purchased the whole system. My calculation is that I could save 30% of money if I was to build system in my own country. Moreover, Cyrus was introduced rendering Nemo obsolete - correcting X1000 biggest gap and that is low CPU performance. Sadly its again two versions of Cyrus with CPU soldered instead of one board with changeable CPU.

Quote:

PA Semi is low power desktop type of G5 CPU with high L1 and L2 cache, FPU, Altivec and memory transfer performance. So G4 would beat it instantly. However, Nemo board is ahead of any G4 board. If looking performance per wat, PA Semi is a winner.

It seems Pa Semi on Nemo is downclocked to 1.8GHz from 2Ghz, so its now question how to make additional 10% clock boost (jumpers, software overclock?)

It turned out poor X1000 booting performance was partially caused by slow CFE firmware but also its setting to wake CPU at 500Mhz only (!!!!) that comes as default (!!!!).

Not to mention OS4 doesn't support nearly half of board features now. So its more Linux machine in practice, even it has great potential and I found decision not to port MOS as sad. That is why I now have SAM460ex on table.

XCore is not UNUSABLE chip, but since it doesnt have Linux PPC Tools and OS4 one are early, plus you need XORRO card + hardware work on it + programming with no visual tools - they have made it far too complicated. But it can do things like SMART HOME CONTROL.

A real DSP on board would be way more Amigish, like Falcon had.

And they did false advertising with its comparison to Transputer
and adding more Xena cores (how when Xorro isn`t it? Via USB? PCI?) for more
additional power. Sadness to make baby be born and not care about it.

[ Edited by vox 03.03.2014 - 08:28 ]

The nemo ain't underclocked, PASemi overhyped their 1.8GHz CPU as a 2GHz part.
As to comparing it to a G4, allready done my 2x1.8 Quicksilver won over tommysammy's X1000 in a Blender test.

@Kronos

Do you have the numbers somewhere? I would love to see them.

> X1000 is publicly declared not to be MOS target due to CPU

I don't think the MorphOS Team has any problem with the PA6T per se.

> and other limits of Nemo design

It's not so much about the board design, I believe.

> will Cyrus be of any interest?

https://morph.zone/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?forum=3&topic_id=7183&start=858 ;-)