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In MorphOS similiar copyright lines are used for code based on AROS. For example "version LIBS:locale.library FULL" gives "(c) 1996-2003 AROS, (c) 2003-2013 MorphOS Team".

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There IS a slight difference in creating enhanced versions of open software and re-working copyrighted software.
I'm pretty sure the latter is generally not legal unless permitted by the author.

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Everything needed to develop for Morphos at a faster rate,moving to something like Cocoa something like what was interface builder would be nice too.
Expand MUI concept to the all system not just UI.
Kamelito

[ Edité par kamelito 19.01.2014 - 18:07 ]

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Geee, Ben you really managed to fool us for so long...................

@kamelito

An interface builder would not (and should not) be part of MUI, but a standalone (3rd party) app.

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[ Edited by Kronos 19.01.2014 - 18:53 ]

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That was low.

> Would be even funnier if he refuses to issue any for OS4.

I don't think you have to state your OS when ordering a keyfile as they are the same regardless of OS (and even MUI version). For at least 8 years he has issued generic (i.e. non-personalized) keyfiles anyway:

http://www.amiga.org/forums/showpost.php?p=290719
http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=29636&forum=2&start=240#511286

In the long run, if Stephan doesn't object to his code being modified, all this discussion is pointless.
OS4 users will benefit from this package, and maybe less code that is dependent on Reaction will be released.
Maybe its time to be less combative about this subject.

> Dates are just rough guestimates.

Just to put some of them right:

> - laire got the MUI3.8 sources sometime in 2001 and ported them to PPC
> - this was released as MUI3.9 for MorphOS0.4 and went back into Stuntzi's SVN/CVS/?

This was in 2000 and for MorphOS 0.2.

http://www.amiga-news.de/en/news/AN-2000-05-00060-EN.html
http://www.amiga-news.de/en/news/AN-2000-10-00364-EN.html

> - ca 2012 some OS4 contributors started retrofitting MUI4.x features into the MUI3.9 source tree

This happened earlier:

"Thore at tboeckel @ gmx . de, man who works 3 long years to make MUI4 and a bunch of related classes from scratch to OS4."
http://amigaworld.net/modules/news/article.php?storyid=6971

> its not the same version as in MOS 4.2

First MorphOS 4.6, now MorphOS 4.2. You seem to have some inside knowledge ;-)

> 1st removing the need for a keyfile and then adding it back in a week later

Just for the record: it was about 3 weeks later. This is not to say that Stefan Stuntz took this long to complain, though.

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So we take Hyperion and AmigaInc out, call it OS5. Yes, real next gen OS, not transition.

At other hand in hardware common database, SAM460 goes a bit more affordable
even with OS 4.1 license. MOS team could negotiate if systems could be offered with MOS license instead, but that would required MOS boxed edition.
http://amigastore.eu/en/125-sam460ex-2gb-ddr2-amigaos-41-.html

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Huh ?
Just install MorphOS + key before shipping -> no box required
Maybe throw in a CD-R as backup -> still no box required

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I have to buy OS 4.1 sadly, that doubles software price.
Try with AresOne PPC when done.

http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=37806&forum=33

Also, I have found cheap MacMini, to test MOS while I wait.

How suitable is this for current MorphOS and how can I triple boot MOS, PPC Linux and MacOS X?

http://www.kupindo.com/Desktop-racunari/14168325_Apple-Mac-Mini-G4-Model-A1103-sa-monitorom

Mac Mini prve generacije. 100% ispravan, ocuvan. Jos uvek je pogodan za svakodnevnu/kancelarijsku upotrebu.

Also, I will sadly get 10.4 in German, how can I replace it with English version and is it last PPC version?

Apple Mac Mini G4 Model: A1103 sa monitorom
OS-X 10.4 Tiger (na nemackom jeziku)
CPU G4 1.25GHz L2 Cache 512KB
RAM 1GB
Grafika ATI9200 32MB
HDD 40GB
CD/DVD kombo
I/O: DVI, Ethernet, FireWire, 2XUSB, Audio Out
Dimenzije: 170mm X 170mm X 51mm

No, the last version of OSX that supports PPC systems is 10.5 Leopard.
Your Mac Mini should have no problem triple booting the three OS' you've mentioned.
I haven't tried to do that recently, but I'd start by setting it up for dual booting (with OSX and MorphOS), the library has an article on that.

Then add Linux.

With the added qualifier that I'd probably set up the partitions for all three before setting up OSX (you can always change the file system they are set up for later).

BTW, isn't the AresOne PPC basically the same as the SAM460 you already own?

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MacOS X> Do I need to buy 10.5 English or I can upgrade 10.4 German for free to 10.5 (it is a legal copy)

MOS and MacOS X> So I just install MorphOS and partition HDD leaving one more for MorphOS, one more for Linux and virtual mem. one?

It will be a bit tricky with 40GB HDD, so I ll keep all 3 things minimal.

Please direct me to article (direct link) or quote it.

AresOne PPC> It is, but I had to BUY OS 4.1, I wonder will Ares Offer choice between AROS and MOS, MOS and OS4.1, AROS-MOS-OS 4.1, or just OS 4.1 and AROS ... If they do good AEROS is a great blend of AROS and Linux cutting more choices basically to two (I would use MOS and AEROS) but AEROS PPC is planned after 2015, ARM one has higher priority

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I have seen MOS boxed edition and it should exist.
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10152119626194295&set=a.10151697755464295.1073741827.847479294&type=3&theater

For many reasons, including selling SAM460ex systems with it,
instead of OS 4.1

Keys could be shipped within each box or on box.

Dual booting guide:

http://library.morph.zone/Dual-boot_MorphOS_and_MacOS_X_on_a_Mac_Mini_G4

I would not recommend even trying triple booting on a 40GB drive, the limited space would be better suited to a single or dual boot setup.

And I think you can change the default languages used under OSX (at least with the copies they sell us in the US).
As to upgrading to 10.5, I don't even bother with that.
If I need 10.5 on a Mac, I just buy a drive with that pre-installed.
If you add a second drive to your system for MorphOS, you will only need a small partition on the OSX drive to start booting MorphOS.

Those "boxed" versions of MorphOS aren just some standard DVD-cases and blank CD-Rs with some MorphOS-inspired GFX on a labeleling kit done by one (two) MorphOS-developer(s).

Still don't see why these would be required. Back in 2002 when I got my Pegasos1 the package included a CD-R labeled by hand (MorphOS 1.0) and that worked as good as it worked.

Wether ACube will at one point offer SAMs without OS4 or with/without included MorphOS-ey has nothing to do with boxed versions or not but all with what kind of contracts they have or not have signed with Hyperion and maybe later will sign with the MorphOS-team.

As for the MacMini:
- 32MB VRAM can be a real pain in the ..... depending on the resolution you plan to use
- that 40GB HD will not only be small but also utterly slow and probraly even close to it's dead-bed, replacing it with anything bigger should be a worhwhile investment
- there were never any free updates from one version of OSX to another prior to Mavericks, so yes you would need to obtain a Leopard-DVD. Those are insanly priced for one reason or another
- wether one should use Tiger or Leopard on such limited HW is debatable

@Jim
"buy a HD with Leopard installed"
Thats about as legal as just downloading a DVD-image somewhere else (and that would atleast give you the option to change the install to your needs)

"buy a 2nd HD for MorphOS"
Not really a option with a MacMini.

[ Edited by Kronos 24.01.2014 - 09:13 ]

> how can I triple boot MOS, PPC Linux and MacOS X?

https://morph.zone/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?topic_id=9814&forum=11&start=6

> Do I need to buy 10.5 English or I can upgrade 10.4 German for free to 10.5

The upgrade from 10.4 to 10.5 isn't free.


Edit: Kronos already answered that.

[ Edited by Andreas_Wolf 24.01.2014 - 10:06 ]

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I thought you already have OS4?


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It will work.

Here is a list of the Mac Mini's that MorphOS supports: List of G4 Mac Mini's

Any of these will work just fine. The one you have there is obviously the slowest one. That was sold as a lower end model compared to the higher end 1.42GHz model (third from top).

Then at some point (27 Sep 2005) Apple silently upgraded the specs of these two, so that the lower end model got a 1.33GHz CPU instead (second from the top in that list) and the higher end model got a 1.5GHz one (the last one in the list).

The latter is the most wanted one to use with MorphOS, not only because the CPU (after all it doesn't differ much from the 1.42GHz model), but because this is the *only* model of the four available that has 64MB VRAM.

You can use MorphOS with just 32MB VRAM as well, but depending on *how* you use it and *what you do* with it, you may find it's too limited. A remedy can be to to turn off enhanced display (at least on some screens), etc, etc, to reduce video memory consumption, some tips about this can be found here or by searching this site. You would IMHO gain a lot to keep searching for a 64MB VRAM model, but if the price is really low on that 1.25GHz mini and you mostly want to test MorphOS, then why not, go ahead.

I don't think you will want to run the latest PPC Mac OS on this one. It was a long time since I bothered with OSX on my Mac Mini 1.5GHz/64MB computer, but I recall I found it very sluggish and slow (of course it should be even worse on a 1.25GHz/32MB). The version before was noticeably faster. Possibly the version before this was even faster yet, I don't know? I only use the Mac Mini for MorphOS now, single booting.

I don't know about Linux, I see no reason to use it on the Mini so I haven't looked into it. But it's absolutely possible to do dual-booting (I did that for a while) or even triple-booting on the Mini.



(Edit: Ah, I see Andreas had already provided a link to a link to some info regarding triple booting. Read that, it's good info! )

[ Edited by takemehomegrandma 24.01.2014 - 10:20 ]

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Frankly, I can't understand your obsession with boxes and pressed CD's? Compared to a downloadable ISO, it makes everything more expensive, it makes it more difficult to obtain, it takes a lot longer time to obtain it, it can quite easily be physically damaged, and it quickly gets old and outdated anyway. At least in the MorphOS world, where actual development is still conducted.

Everyone can easily get the very latest version of MorphOS, right now, right here:
http://morphos-team.net/downloads

...or if you like, here are the direct links to all MorphOS versions from v2.0 up to the current:

http://www.morphos-team.net/morphos-3.4.iso
http://www.morphos-team.net/morphos-3.3.iso
http://www.morphos-team.net/morphos-3.2.iso
http://www.morphos-team.net/morphos-3.1.iso
http://www.morphos-team.net/morphos-3.0.iso
http://www.morphos-team.net/morphos-2.7.iso
http://www.morphos-team.net/morphos-2.6.iso
http://www.morphos-team.net/morphos-2.5.iso
http://www.morphos-team.net/morphos-2.4.iso
http://www.morphos-team.net/morphos-2.3.iso
http://www.morphos-team.net/morphos-2.2.iso
http://www.morphos-team.net/morphos-2.1.iso
http://www.morphos-team.net/morphos-2.0.iso

These are all *full versions* (but with a time limit of about ~30 minutes if a valid license key isn't present), accessible for everyone in the world.

Difficulty to obtain: Very easy, just go to the official MorphOS site, and click "Download"
Time to obtain: Ranging from a couple of seconds to a few minutes (depending on your Internet connection)
Cost: 0 EUR (to download and try for 30 minutes per reboot)
Version: Always the latest (or the one you choose)


As a comparison, I actually bought OS4.1 recently (for my Pegasos) to just to try it out. Because of the "box system", here is my experience:

Difficulty to obtain: Kind of difficult, it's only available in a few places, not even Acube has it in stock. You have to search individual dealers in Acube's dealer list, few has it in stock, some doesn't even have a proper webshop and it can be unclear whether they have it in stock or not, and whether they will ship to other countries, etc.
Time to obtain: More than two weeks.
Cost: €138.85 EUR (including VAT and shipment of the box)
Version: Ancient. Then you will have to spend a great deal of time and effort of downloading/installing a whole series of updates, one on top of the other, to get the latest OS4.1.6 version.

IMHO, the winning strategy is quite obvious. It wasn't the box.

(And the CD I got was obviously used, it had scratches on the surface and didn't pass the "breath test", but that's a different matter).


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MorphOS keys aren't simple serial numbers that you could print on a box or put inside a CD case. MorphOS keys are binary files (hardcoded to a particular computers MAC address) that is stored on the hard drive where MorphOS is installed.

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What you've seen were special, handmade editions that we sometimes give out on various public fairs. These are burnt on the spot to include the user's keyfile. You cannot pre-produce a registered ISO - you have to run MorphOS on the machine you want to register it for, send the registration data and then get the keyfile. It's not something you can "put into the box".

> I actually bought OS4.1 recently (for my Pegasos)

Who'd have thunk it? :-)

> Difficulty to obtain: Kind of difficult, it's only available in a few places [...]
> Time to obtain: More than two weeks.

Is this only true for the Pegasos II version in particular or also for other versions?