Cego schrieb:
@OlafSch

truth is almost every huge thread on MZ is OS4 related. Look for yourself. People are constantly bashing OS4 and at the same time there is no real productive topic about MorphOS and the question what the user can do to improve the system and the community. Yes, there are individuals who do a lot but it stands in no relation to the majority.

MorphOS users need OS4 for their own identification. Just the fact that its always about comparing between those two, shows that OS4 is an essential part of a MorphOS users state of mind.

I use harsh words i know, but others do the same. The only difference is that i dare to talk the truth and be critical about ourselves and our behaviour. Typical that the first reaction is something like "leave this place" or "you're an OS4 fanboy" blah blah.
For me that reacton is typical for a fanboy who doesnt want to hear any critisicm about his own thing.

And if MorphOS is really going to throw all the amiganess away, what will MorphOS become? What will be its identification? What will MorphOS stand for? And why should i still use it, if its going to become just another random operating system like many other and unknown ones out there? The main argument about MorphOS was always "AmigaOS done right".
But when this aspects going to lose, I'm probably better off with just any other OS which got all the benefits that morphos lack.

I always looked at morphos as an advanced and further developed AmigaOS 3.1 and i hope it'll stay that way and true to it's legacy and amiga philosophy.

Cego wrote:
Just an example. MorphOS is lacking documentation and HowTo's for beginners. Why isn't anybody from the community working on that?

Cego schrieb:
lol, i did that. i did many tutorials years ago and still nothing changed. Don't come at me that way. i did my part, but one person will not be enough

Cego schrieb:
on the biggest german amiga community forum known as www.a1k.org with several hundreds of users daily.

Cego wrote:
Just an example. MorphOS is lacking documentation and HowTo's for beginners. Why isn't anybody from the community working on that? Lets get some ffmpeg/mplayer workshops done and show users how to cut and convert videos f.e.
Or some kind of Ambient manual to show off its strenght and power. An OWB howto, Showgirls, Prefs/MUI settings decription etc. nobody really cares. I started that kind of stuff on an german amiga forum but really lost interest because it is just a too huge task for one man.

There is absolutely nothing besides this kinda chaotic forum for morphos newbies. you cant get more user unfriendly than this.

There is absolutely nothing besides this kinda chaotic forum for morphos newbies. you cant get more user unfriendly than this.

Cego wrote:
Just an example. MorphOS is lacking documentation and HowTo's for beginners. Why isn't anybody from the community working on that? Lets get some ffmpeg/mplayer workshops done and show users how to cut and convert videos f.e.
Or some kind of Ambient manual to show off its strenght and power. An OWB howto, Showgirls, Prefs/MUI settings decription etc. nobody really cares. I started that kind of stuff on an german amiga forum but really lost interest because it is just a too huge task for one man.

There is absolutely nothing besides this kinda chaotic forum for morphos newbies.

OlafSch wrote:
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in german I assume... :)

it is a little difficult to find for beginners if they are hidden in a forum. It would make more sense to have a central point where you can look when you are starting with MorphOS. And of course having it in english would not harm too

Perhaps other people feel then motivated to contribute too



[ Editiert durch OlafSch 10.11.2015 - 12:49 ]

Cego wrote:
believe me, there are some german beginners too who licensed morphos and i think they are also a part of this community then.

deka wrote:
I often find some infos about MOS here and there. They could be collected to a Wiki to find them more easily.

Cego wrote:
i dont even dare to think about the possibility of how many potential new users lost interest in morphos just because of the lack of documentation and "first aid" meeting points. I really hoped that the community would take a huge step when the first Apple port came out, hoping that we could gather and keep all those new users. But that chance is gone.

deka schrieb:
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Once I've showed MOS to my ex collegues and when they heard the registration fee (and that it is a slightly high, I mean, comparable to Windows, where there are many many apps), they weren't interested about the further details.

I think, many thing should meet, to change to MOS.

Andreas_Wolf wrote:
> all PPC based solutions today [...] no support in real world for it anymore
> (example is Javascript JIT).

TenFourFox has JavaScript JIT. And there is this:

https://morph.zone/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?topic_id=10232&forum=3&start=2

For me, doing all that community projects, has something to do with passion and dedication.

redrumloa wrote:
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Speaking form myself, I use MorphOS because I am a customer and I like the project. I do not consider myself a part of a community because I use the product. I used to consider myself part of the Amiga Kommunity, but those days are long gone. Whether I am part of some MorphOS community could be debated, but really I just like and use the product.

Users shouldn't be expected by default to contribute for free to a computer platform, and then be berated if they don't. Any computer platform needs end users. People who do want to be part of a community and involve in community projects are great, just don't browbeat those who don't.

I think here's where you miss the plot. You expect everyone to be part of some larger Amiga Kommunity, and contributing to some common goal of of elevating "t he name" to prior prominence. Many of us just don't care about that. We just see products, and we discuss products based on their merits or weaknesses.