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SUpport imac g5 isight ?

sailor

# 8
Order of the Butterfly

Posts: 368 from 2019/5/9

From: Central Bohemi...

Yes, 4 GB RAM module works with no problem - first module I found worked.
Look here. It is article from times when G5 iMacs + Powermacs was oficially unsupporteg, but worked.

In bottom part you will find photo of working module. But I suppose any speed-compatible module should work. The 2.5 GB in specification is probably becouse these time 4 GB modules was not on the market. ( my speculation )
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»17.05.23 - 08:07

bash64

# 9
Priest of the Order of the Butterfly

Posts: 958 from 2010/10/28

From: USA

yep. i am buying the upgrades tonight.
shopping for the imac g5.
do i really need 4gb? mos wont use it right?
before i take the plunge,
how would you rate this imac ability to surf the net?
the powerbook g4 i just bought cant even do it.
maybe text mostly websites like aminet

[ Edited by bash64 17.05.2023 - 04:20 ]
Mac G5 ISight 21" 2.5 gb of ram 233gb hd matshita dvd-r uj-846
Powerbook G4 1.67ghz 2GB, ATI 9700M Pro 128mb
1TB hd, DL-DVD Burner, Netgear pcmcia wireless card.
ImageFX 4.5, PageStream 3.3, PhotoGenics 5.0
»17.05.23 - 08:12

koszer

# 10
Paladin of the Pegasos

Posts: 1250 from 2004/2/8

From: Poland

Quote:

bash64 wrote:
yep. i am buying the upgrades tonight.
shopping for the imac g5.
do i really need 4gb? mos wont use it right?

Currently MorphOS will see (and use) about 1,7 GB.

Quote:

how would you rate this imac ability to surf the net?
the powerbook g4 i just bought cant even do it.

iMac G5 is faster than PowerBook G4 but not by an order of magnitude.
It will struggle on a JS-heavy website (even the fastest MorphOS machine does).
Maybe give us an example of a website you'd like to browse.
»17.05.23 - 09:15

sailor

# 11
Order of the Butterfly

Posts: 368 from 2019/5/9

From: Central Bohemi...

Quote:

bash64 wrote:
do i really need 4gb? mos wont use it right?

for MorphOS is 1 GB enough in most cases and 2 GB I never overfilled ( except large things in RAM: ). But if you want to use also MacOS X or linux, you will benefit from 4.5 GB.
AmigaOS3: Amiga 1200
AmigaOS4: Micro A1-C, AmigaOne XE, Pegasos II, Sam440ep, Sam440ep-flex, Sam460LE, AmigaOneX1000
MorphOS: Efika 5200b, Pegasos I, Sam460LE, Pegasos II, Powerbook G4, Mac Mini, iMac G5, Powermac G5 Quad
»17.05.23 - 10:02

Andreas_Wolf

# 12
Yokemate of Keyboards

Posts: 12150 from 2003/5/22

From: Germany

> reg cost for this model?

"The price is 79 EUR for one laptop or desktop computer. Special pricing of 49 EUR per device is offered for EfikaPPC and Sam460 systems."
https://www.morphos-team.net/faq
»17.05.23 - 10:34

bash64

# 13
Priest of the Order of the Butterfly

Posts: 958 from 2010/10/28

From: USA

thanks
yeah, i turned off javascript first thing.
but sites i like to use demand it.
oh well.
i find the imac interesting
Mac G5 ISight 21" 2.5 gb of ram 233gb hd matshita dvd-r uj-846
Powerbook G4 1.67ghz 2GB, ATI 9700M Pro 128mb
1TB hd, DL-DVD Burner, Netgear pcmcia wireless card.
ImageFX 4.5, PageStream 3.3, PhotoGenics 5.0
»17.05.23 - 12:01

cip060

# 14
Acolyte of the Butterfly

Posts: 141 from 2010/7/30

Quote:

Andreas_Wolf wrote:
> reg cost for this model?

"The price is 79 EUR for one laptop or desktop computer. Special pricing of 49 EUR per device is offered for EfikaPPC and Sam460 systems."
https://www.morphos-team.net/faq

After so many years it's not like you could reconsider the price of the license/registration key :
I propose 50 euros or 39.99 FOR EVERYONE IT WOULD BE AN HONEST PRICE
»17.05.23 - 14:18

Zylesea

# 15
Yokemate of Keyboards

Posts: 2057 from 2003/6/4

Quote:

bash64 schrieb:
yep. i am buying the upgrades tonight.
shopping for the imac g5.
do i really need 4gb? mos wont use it right?
before i take the plunge,
how would you rate this imac ability to surf the net?
the powerbook g4 i just bought cant even do it.
maybe text mostly websites like aminet

[ Edited by bash64 17.05.2023 - 04:20 ]

I have 1.5 GiB RAM on my G5 and it is really enough. While on the Powerbook and Mac mini with each 1 Gib RAM I have to watch RAM an the G5 with 1.5 GIB I don't have. But in most cases 1 GiB is also pretty much enough.

Speedwise the iMac G5 is a good share faster on browsing than the G4. On the G4 most sites feel a bit like chewing gum while on the iMac G5 it is way more liquid - no comparison to my ipad or windows laptop, but really fast enough to be not annoying.
Other things are indeed faster on the G4 (decoding jpgs with showcase for example). It's also noteworthy that (at least my iMac) is pretty silent (the fans are spinning, but the noise is low and not disturbing). The total energy uptake is also surprisingly low, same range as the Mac mini + Display.

It's a nice machine!

extra info: Changing the hdd is also okay - not as easy as with the Mac mini, but easier than with the powerbook.
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»17.05.23 - 20:31

koszer

# 16
Paladin of the Pegasos

Posts: 1250 from 2004/2/8

From: Poland

Quote:

Zylesea wrote:
extra info: Changing the hdd is also okay - not as easy as with the Mac mini, but easier than with the powerbook.

When it comes to harddrive swapping - I'd take PowerBook anytime. Just a couple of screws and it's wide open. No need to mess with front panel latches, anti-static film or those pesky screws holding the display in place.
And I guess I'd pretty much prefer swapping HDD in PowerBook than in Mac Mini too. But I believe we would agree in one thing - nobody would enjoy changing the harddrive in iBook G4 :)
»18.05.23 - 05:25

man

# 17
Acolyte of the Butterfly

Posts: 127 from 2019/11/11

where to have 4.5 gigas memory for imac G5?
morphos team say they change quark and morphos will have more memory
more memory you have more speed you have like a pc i think.
»18.05.23 - 06:26

NewSense

# 18
Paladin of the Pegasos

Posts: 1513 from 2012/11/10

From: Manchester, UK/GB

In my iMac A1145 (2.1GHz) I have a 2GB stick of and the built-in 512 MB of 533 MHz PC2-4200 DDR2 SDRAM, which totals 2.5GB, of which MorphOS can use about 1.7GB, so adding more for use with MorphOS really doesn't make any sense.

Other users also use their hardware with Mac (Tiger/Leopard) &/or Linux, which can benefit from the additional memory that sailor mentioned in comment #11, if you can source a stable stick of RAM, but IMHO for MorphOS it is totally unnecessary to add so much memory, and that's if it does run reliably/stably on MorphOS or Mac or Linux, as that amount of RAM was never intended to be fiitted in an A1145 iMac iSight 20" 2.1GHz G5 machine.
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»18.05.23 - 07:03

MoerBoer

# 19
Order of the Butterfly

Posts: 230 from 2019/10/15

My iMac also has 2.5GB RAM in it and runs MorphOS exclusively.

I have not ever encountered running out of memory in the couple of years I've used it now. The OS and apps are usually small and memory efficient, so I can't see how more RAM will help the OS much.
»18.05.23 - 07:28

man

# 20
Acolyte of the Butterfly

Posts: 127 from 2019/11/11

ok for answers
in fact if you use 1 mega of memory only for morphos you can make the test it become more slowly
»18.05.23 - 08:09

cip060

# 21
Acolyte of the Butterfly

Posts: 141 from 2010/7/30

I have 1 bank of 1 gig ram plus the 512 mounted inside by default I've honestly never had any problems
»18.05.23 - 09:03

MoerBoer

# 22
Order of the Butterfly

Posts: 230 from 2019/10/15

My iBook G4 only has 512MB of RAM and it also runs fine. Obviously things like web browsing is slow, but for normal usage it's also fine.

My PowerMac G5 has 6GB of RAM but MorphOS only uses 1.7GB and it's flying.
»18.05.23 - 09:05

Kronos

# 23
Moderator

Posts: 2323 from 2003/2/24

As for the iMac, the 512MB on the motherboard are a bit on the low end so if there is no DIMM installed you might want to hunt one down.

4GB gives no benefits over 2GB as long as you stay in MorphOS
2GB will net you 3-400MB over 1GB so if it's just a few $ more go for that.
»18.05.23 - 09:31

Andreas_Wolf

# 24
Yokemate of Keyboards

Posts: 12150 from 2003/5/22

From: Germany

> morphos team say they change quark and morphos will have more memory

Can you please elaborate on that?

> more memory you have more speed

…and also on that?
»18.05.23 - 15:30

Andreas_Wolf

# 25
Yokemate of Keyboards

Posts: 12150 from 2003/5/22

From: Germany

> in fact if you use 1 mega of memory only for morphos you can make the test it become more slowly

Less RAM doesn't make MorphOS slower, and more RAM doesn't make it faster. But you can bet that with "1 mega of memory only" it won't start at all ;-)
»18.05.23 - 15:35

Andreas_Wolf

# 26
Yokemate of Keyboards

Posts: 12150 from 2003/5/22

From: Germany

> My iBook G4 only has 512MB of RAM […].
> Obviously things like web browsing is slow

I also guess that after starting Wayfarer, the amount of RAM that's available for actual browsing would be a problem with modern websites.
»18.05.23 - 15:42

Zylesea

# 27
Yokemate of Keyboards

Posts: 2057 from 2003/6/4

At least Wayfarer is better on memory than Odyssey. Just tested on my Mac Mini with 1 GB: 10 tabs open, the active one replaying youtube and the _available_ RAM stays between 550 and 600 MB. Hence also with just 512 MiB you can do quite some things, but you have to watch your RAM. In my experience 1 GiB with MorphOS is okay for really most of the times and with 1.5 GiB it's rather hard to run into a low mem situation.
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»18.05.23 - 19:27

NewSense

# 28
Paladin of the Pegasos

Posts: 1513 from 2012/11/10

From: Manchester, UK/GB

I've come across the situation that the iMac Brightness adjustment keys (F1 and F2) conflicts with the PageStream Toolbox keyboard shortcut selection keys (F1 - Object Tool, F2 - Text tool - bear in mind that there are other F? Keys that are assigned for use with the Toolbox function buttons with PageStream), and as a result it is necessary to deactivate the iMac Brightness key setting (remove checkmark) while using PageStream.

Is there a way to allow either a modifier key (Control, Alt/Option, or Command keys) to ensure that the iMac Brightness key(s) do not conflict with the PageStream Toolbox shortcut keys in the first place?

Or, allow a user to set/choose the iMac Brightness keyboard shortcut key(s) to suit their own setup?
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»18.05.23 - 21:02

jacadcaps

# 29
MorphOS Developer

Posts: 3108 from 2003/3/5

From: Canada

I agree: PageStream needs to have settings for the toolbar hotkeys!
»19.05.23 - 12:12

cyfm

# 30
MorphOS Developer

Posts: 537 from 2003/4/11

From: Germany

Actually, on Mac keyboards, extra functions like brightness and legacy function keys F1-15 are sharing the same key.
There is an additional Fn qualifier key on most newer mac keyboards to toggle the feature, the iMac originally came with one as well. Laptop.mprefs has a checkbox to toggle the feature for both PowerBooks and iMac, so you either have legacy function keys directly or additional h/w control.
»19.05.23 - 20:37

NewSense

# 31
Paladin of the Pegasos

Posts: 1513 from 2012/11/10

From: Manchester, UK/GB

Quote:

jacadcaps wrote: I agree: PageStream needs to have settings for the toolbar hotkeys!

That's nice that you agree, but it doesn't offer a solution to the conflict, as the Function keys functionality is tied to the program itself, with no usual user means of changing their assignment.

cyfm is well aware of this aspect as he spent a lot of time re-working PageStream so that it works as well as it does now, but the Function keys operability were not changed from the way they worked from how they were coded in v4, which was way back to the year 2000 when PageStream v4 was authored. They were never intended to be altered by the user when the program was in use, as there is no setting to allow these Function keys assignment to be modified.

I am just asking if you are willing, and consider it possible, to find a better solution to this conflict?

Quote:

cyfm wrote: Actually, on Mac keyboards, extra functions like brightness and legacy function keys F1-15 are sharing the same key.

I'm fully aware of there being a 'Function' (Fn) key on the PowerBook's keyboard that offers dual functionality for the 'Function' keys.
Quote:

cyfm wrote: There is an additional Fn qualifier key on most newer mac keyboards to toggle the feature, the iMac originally came with one as well.

However, AFAIK, that was not the case on the A1048 wired keyboard that was originally supplied with the A1145 iMac, as there is no 'Function' (Fn) key on that keyboard or the A1016 (bluetooth-wireless) keyboard which I use predominantly with my A1145 iMac. Though both the A1048 and the A1016 both have Control, Alt/Option, and Command keys - which is why I suggested them as being possible for consideration to bypass this keyboard conflict-clash, unless you can offer a solution for PageStream with some revised PageStream5.rsc file modification, as there is no documentation that will allow this to be done without some knowledge of the inner workings of that PageStream file, or another file that handles that capability.
Quote:

cyfm wrote: Laptop.mprefs has a checkbox to toggle the feature for both PowerBooks and iMac, so you either have legacy function keys directly or additional h/w control.

I realise I can remove the checkmark from the checkbox in the iMac Settings so that it does not 'clash-conflict' with the PageStream Toolbox Function keys assigned usage, but I was hoping to not have to keep deactivating the usefulness of the Brightness Setting for the iMac each time I want to use PageStream, or have to re-enable it each time I a want to use the brightness setting, and vice-versa for the Toolbox functions I utilise when using PageStream.

The brightness keyboard setting seems like an excellent addition to MorphOS for the iMac, but it clashes-conflicts with the hardcoded Function key functionality of PageStream's Toolbox Function keys assignment, for the main 2 Toolbox Function keys as it is, and I feel sure there is a way to modify/implement a better keyboard assignment for MorphOS that then does not clash-conflict with PageStream, at least I hope so.
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»20.05.23 - 01:42

Georg

# 32

Acolyte of the Butterfly

Posts: 111 from 2004/4/7

Quote:

NewSense wrote:
I am just asking if you are willing, and consider it possible, to find a better solution to this conflict? ;-)

Maybe hack together your own solution?

Code:


#include <libraries/commodities.h>
#include <string.h>
#include <stdio.h>

#include <proto/exec.h>

typedef CxObj * (*CREATECXOBJ_FUNC)(register ULONG type asm("d0"),
                 register ULONG arg1 asm("a0"),
                 register ULONG arg2 asm("a1"),
                 register struct Library *lib asm("a6"));
             

CREATECXOBJ_FUNC old_createcxobj;


#define LVO_CreateCxObj (-6 * 5)

CxObj * New_CreateCxObj(register ULONG type asm("d0"),
                        register ULONG arg1 asm("a0"),
                        register ULONG arg2 asm("a1"),
                        register struct Library *lib asm("a6"))
{
    if (type == CX_FILTER)
    {
             if (!strcasecmp((STRPTR)arg1, "f1")) arg1 = (ULONG)"alt f1";
        else if (!strcasecmp((STRPTR)arg1, "f2")) arg1 = (ULONG)"alt f2";
        else if (!strcasecmp((STRPTR)arg1, "f3")) arg1 = (ULONG)"alt f3";
        /* ... */
        
    }    
    return old_createcxobj(type, arg1, arg2, lib);
}


int main(void)
{
    struct Library * lib = OpenLibrary("commodities.library", 0);
    
    if (lib)    
    {
        Forbid();
        old_createcxobj = (CREATECXOBJ_FUNC)SetFunction(lib, LVO_CreateCxObj, (APTR)New_CreateCxObj);
        Permit();
    
        printf("Patch installedn");
        
        for(;;)
        {
            CREATECXOBJ_FUNC act_CreateCxObj;

            Wait(SIGBREAKF_CTRL_C);

            Forbid();
            act_CreateCxObj = (CREATECXOBJ_FUNC)SetFunction(lib, LVO_CreateCxObj, (APTR)old_createcxobj);
            if (act_CreateCxObj == New_CreateCxObj)
            {
                Permit();
                break;
            }

            SetFunction(lib, LVO_CreateCxObj, (APTR)act_CreateCxObj);
            Permit();

            printf("Cannot remove patch!n");
        }
        
        CloseLibrary(lib);
    }
    else
    {
        printf("Cannot open commodities.library!n");
    }
        
}

I don't know if this 68k code compiled into 68k binary would work on MOS (PPC library function replaced with 68k code) unmodified.

»20.05.23 - 13:04