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Can I just say I'll be registering MorphOS on my Powerbook G4 within 34 nanoseconds of it being released, so if that encourages the release...

> the processors they recommended were from Freescale (some
> of the predecessors to the 5500s that Andreas has mentioned).
> Andreas ccould probably dig up thatreference easier than I could.

Yes, you said they recommended QorIQ:
https://morph.zone/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?topic_id=7001&forum=3&post_id=74557#74557

And I already told jcmarcos about that:
https://morph.zone/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?topic_id=7348&forum=3&post_id=76484#76484

> Andreas wasn't as surprised as I was when I found out who
> designed the Xena.

You mean Nemo, not Xena, right? And come on, you can't have been that surprised. You and me were discussing the possibility of Varisys being Nemo's designers about 2.5 months before that fact was officially revealed by A-Eon. The only thing that stood in the way of this reasoning was Hermans' (deliberate?) misinformation that the Nemo designing company had been in business for 15 years when in fact had been only for 10 years.

https://morph.zone/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?topic_id=7001&forum=3&post_id=72188#72188
https://morph.zone/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?topic_id=7001&forum=3&post_id=73966#73966

> who's the man behind Xena?

That would be David May. But I guess Jim is confusing some terms. He's been mentioning a board named Xena on some other sites for the last weeks ;-)

> Andreas (I think) still has an open mind about Applied Micro and its Titan sucessor.

Let me clarify that I don't consider PacketPro's PPC465 core (an IBM product) a successor to Gemini's Titan core (an Applied Micro developed product). It's rather a replacement. And there're still some questions and uncertainties regarding PacketPro I'd like to have clarified, like:

"1. Does PacketPro have an FPU? 2. They don't seem to be sure if PacketPro is 1.5 or 2.0 GHz."
https://morph.zone/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?topic_id=7001&forum=3&post_id=76984#76984

Without those two key information I really can't make up my mind about PacketPro.

> If I ever sounded like I didn't admire Genesi or A-eon/Varisys' work, let me clear
> that up. Anyone that can design and produce a functional board has my respect.

In case of Genesi and A-Eon I think that "can have designed" and "can have produced" would be closer to the truth ;-)

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Yes and I too mentiion Pauls support of the Qorlq line to jcmarcos.
I just think of the 5500 as sucessors to the older lines.

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Sorry, yes Nemo not Xena. And yes we'd discussed this possiblity long before the offical announcement . After all a PA6T motherboard with an XMOS processor? The only credible company I new that had experience with both was Varisis..
To top that off, I think I remember sending a congradulatory message to Paul om the Nemo design, which he thanked me for (indirect confirmation).

So yes, it wasn't really surprise on either of our parts. More of a sense of satisfaction at figuring it out ahead of time (like I've said there's still some uninformed people who think thnis is an Ack Systems design).

You were the one who reassured me when I was paranoid enough to think Paul's suggestion not to use the PA6T was suspious.
And I can't under standing why more people didn't make these same connections. When I searched for a company that had experience with the PA6T, Varisys was the only credible company I could find (and I'd already had previous experience with Paul because of an XMOS based device he'd designed). So PA6T and XMOS experience, who else could it have been?


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Understandable, I still tend to think of this as a Titan sucessor, not because the two are related, but because this replaces the discontinued Titan.


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Yes, thanks also fair. My real appreciation goes to Varisys and bPlan (not A-eon and Genesi). These are the design firms (as opposed to those that financed production). I always favor engineers over corporate management.

You don't take enough credit here and in other places.
Thanks to your ceaseless mining of internet sources, you had clues about this relationship long before I did (YOU brought them up).

And you still won't take credit for the help you gave me by offering me new ways to look at various hurdles. Your percpectives were invaluable.

> I think I remember sending a congradulatory message to Paul om the Nemo design,
> which he thanked me for (indirect confirmation).

I remember it somewhat different. When you congratulated him it had already been revealed by A-Eon that Varisys is the Nemo developer. What was not officially confirmed back then (and isn't yet to date) is the use of the PA6T. You said in your PM to me that you congratulated Paul on the design of the PA6T based Nemo board, and in his reply to that he didn't deny the use of the PA6T, which can be seen as some kind of confirmation for that processor (and not for Varisys being the board's designer, which was confirmed by A-Eon long since).

> figuring it out ahead of time

As I told before, credit for that goes to Commodore USA's (today's) CTO:

https://morph.zone/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?topic_id=7001&forum=3&post_id=74517#74517

> there's still some uninformed people who think thnis is an Ack Systems design

Yes, I had to cope with this special kind of people (saying that if Nemo has PA6T then it must be a design copied from what ACK and Amiga Inc. announced) on amiga-news.de as well ;-)

> I can't under standing why more people didn't make these same connections.

There were quite some, but the ones without a clue and drawing nonsensical conclusions had been more vocal maybe ;-)

> When I searched for a company that had experience with the PA6T,
> Varisys was the only credible company I could find

I think that there're some more credible companies with experience in using PA6T. But only Varisys has both that *and* XCore experience.

I went back and reviewed past messages. You're right the message to Pau Gentles was the informal way we got PA6T confirmation. I remember at the time that not many people were even aware of the Varisys conection at that time.

And regardless of how you can to the conclusion/connect, it was you who mention it to me.

I still think you don't give yourself enough credit for putting 2 and 2 together. Your recent speculation about future Cell derivitives an the potential link to Power 7 seems entirely plausible.

OK So wtf happened to this thread. Its about a meeting and new morphos features. It got hijacked with some randomness.. mods?

@pneumatic

Loading preexisting panels : check
Saving panels without completly breaking them : check
Saving subpanels and getting them back from disc : check
Saving dirpanels : todo
Saving external objects : todo
Cleaning up sources (again) : TODO

Watch the usual channels for another "release", maybe later today....

[ Edited by Kronos on 2010/11/21 0:54 ]

Ahhh there we go. As much as the discussion was interesting I am glad it got back on track. The show has been over for a few weeks, I got the update and some info that I wanted..so I am content. :) Lets move along shall we? :) Or start a new thread.

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> I remember at the time that not many people were even aware of the
> Varisys conection at that time.

That would be strange as I think that time was *after* A-Eon together with Adam Barnes and Paul Gentle of Varisys had publically presented the X1000 at Vintage Computer Festival at Bletchley Park.

> Your recent speculation about future Cell derivitives an the potential link to
> Power 7 seems entirely plausible.

You mean my speculation about POWER8, don't you?

Yes Power 8.. Sorry.

And I'm beginning to wonder if most Amigans even pay attention. Just last week I had to refute the following statements.
1) The X1000 didn't exist, the photos have be doctored.
2) Ack systems turned over their design to A-eon.
3)That X1000 demos run on a machine below the table on which was a mock up of the X1000.

You give people too much crefit, expecting them to have common sense or keep track of current events.

And this IS a Wolfbot original - your speculation about Power8
Hopefully, when that becomes reality you'll be a little less modest.
Honestly Andre, there's no one here other than you that I want analysing my ideas and giving me critical feedback.
And I don't care HOW critical you get because you're almost always 100% correct.

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[ Edited by Jim on 2010/11/21 2:56 ]

> You give people too much crefit, expecting them to [...] keep track of current events.

That includes A-Eon's and Varisys' joint X1000 presentation at VCF?

> this IS a Wolfbot original - your speculation about Power8
> Hopefully, when that becomes reality you'll be a little less modest.

Let's get that straight: I didn't say that's what will happen (you know, even the most immovable plans may change in the end etc.). I just say that's what I understand IBM's Systems and Technology Group CTO said would happen. As you can see, with that I don't make any statement about the future, but about the past, i.e. about someone else having made a statement about the future. These are quite different concepts.

Can you guys take this crap to a new thread or some other site? ITS WAAY OT

Oh come on Magnetic, sometimes these things go at little off course.

And I'm offended by thr use of the term 'crap'.

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YES, even after that people still held on to there mis-conceptions.

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Sorry,I know you prefer to quote facts and the credible statements of others. But this was the first time I'd heard of this possibility.

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> even after that peopke still held on to there mis-conceptions.

I won't dispute that there were people who did. But you've been somewhat more specific in terms of quantity by saying "not many people were even aware of the Varisys conection at that time". That's what I don't find believable. If we take the people that have talked on message boards etc. about the X1000 as (statistical) population then I think that rather not many of those people weren't aware of the Varisys connection at that time, i.e. most people were. The fact that you had to refute uneducated statements of some of those who weren't aware wouldn't change that.

> this was the first time I'd heard of this possibility.

Like in the Varisys case I'm just a messenger here, not the prophet ;-)

You ARE my prophet.
Without searching for it, it wouldn't have found out about the 5500 core or Freescale's re-dedication to Altivec.
Not to mention all the news about Applied Micro.

You may not be a prophet, but you're my number one source for uo to date reliable information and a great resource for critical analysis.

> You ARE my prophet.

You're getting blasphemous ;-)

> you're my number one source for uo to date reliable information
> and a great resource for critical analysis.

I think with that I'm okay ;-)

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Blasphemous is a state of mind.

I posted this Frank Zappa quotation of Amiga.org a few days ago.

The Bible tells use that God made us to be just like him.
So if we're dumb,
Then God is dumb.
And maybe even a little ugly on the side.

Dumb all over - Frank Zappa

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[ Edited by Jim on 2010/11/21 17:28 ]

Jim

Apparently you arent familiar with forum based posting.. you guys are having a personal conversation you should move it private. its way OT so either stop or start a new thread..

as far as andreas goes we know he's a just bot/web spider that lurks somewhere in the black forest or so.. so he as an excuse he cant help himself being a bot

> he [...] lurks somewhere in the black forest or so..

Ignorance is bliss, I guess.

It was a joke I'm sure i'm not the only one who tires of your silly constant posting on EVERY thread with Links no less. Why dont you do like everyone else and post your own words instead of stupid links? And you can take your arrogant attitude and shove it up your ass. I dont know if you are a help here or a "virus"

now you have pissed me off and since the inception of mz i have never said any post like this (well mabye to neko but not even as bad)

so dont call me ignorant you tosser.

[ Edited by magnetic on 2010/11/22 1:59 ]

[ Edited by magnetic on 2010/11/22 2:00 ]