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  • Yokemate of Keyboards
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    Andreas_Wolf
    Posts: 12164 from 2003/5/22
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    > theres hd-rec which is available in morphos version too

    Only some effects are MorphOS native. The rest, including the main program, is m68k code. Not surprising as it's written in AmiBlitz.
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  • Yokemate of Keyboards
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    Andreas_Wolf
    Posts: 12164 from 2003/5/22
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    > I think the MOS version is realy better thant the 68k I tested.

    There's no dedicated MorphOS version, but just some MorphOS native effects.

    > But I dont know where to get it
    > do you have a link to hte mos version please?

    It's all in the archive:

    http://www.hd-rec.de/Archive/HD-Rec_09w.lha

    And there's an update to the main program:

    http://www.hd-rec.de/Archive/HD-Rec_Upd.lha
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  • Order of the Butterfly
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    Andreas, thanks for the corrections.
    however, in the hd_rec archive there are separate icons for 68k, os4, mos, amithlon. the exe is indeed 68k but there are some morphos specific parts.
    anyway, great program, works well on morphos 2.x
    i had some strange issues with it at a time but i solved them somehow and it proved to be stable enough since.

    it was mentioned before but i gotta tell that pixel32 works very well under 2.x, not that unusable/unstable as it was under 1.4.x. i played with the demo for a long time tried several operations w/o a crash.
    great alternative for photoshop/gimp.
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    geit
    Posts: 1049 from 2004/9/23
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    tom wrote:
    I'm using Pagestream together with Studio2.2 for printing. Studio (originaly wrote for the old Amiga) does stil a fine job. Better printing then Turboprint. The only problem is that its development has stopped years ago, so only old printers are usable, but even on an old HP600 printing is really good. Nowadays I use Pagestream on my PegII, export as pdf and use my Imac to print on a laserprinter (Brother HL 2050). Even Pagestream 4.1 is still far better then Pages or Neo-office on Imac (in my opninon).


    And again! Of course you can't get into your local discounter and buy the printer of the week for 60 Euro and expect it will work. I personally checked all printer tests in a computer magazin due a prior discussion on PegasosForum. More than 80% of the new printers tested in those magazins will work on MorphOS and probably on OS4 using TurboPrint, as they support PCL or Postscript. I am talking about printers priced 150 euro and up.

    What the hell is the problem? Just look into the feature list of the printer and pick the one with PCL or postscript support and it will work. You can even print colored images with recent laser printers.

    Its funny. Always are the people screaming that they don t want to support the evil M$ empire, but when buying printers anyone takes the first crap that can be found and expect it to work. What about supporting companies which are using those "open" standards? Where is the problem?

    Geit
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  • Yokemate of Keyboards
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    magnetic
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    geit

    Good post, but why did you edit out the part about the printers you used? Its useful info for ppl imho
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    itix
    Posts: 1520 from 2003/2/24
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    @serge

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    and more another time: AmigaOS gives the possibility to use MMU stuff and this is needed to develop virtualised systems like shapeshifter did it on AmigaOS3.9.
    I dream about a softwre doing the same like shapshifter on AmigaOS4 to run macos and other system at the same time with Amigaos. This is not possible with Morphos.



    It is not possible in OS4 either. Design of Amiga OS does not allow porting SheepShaver or having another OS running on virtual machine without relying on SW emulation. MMU API in OS4 is only servicing ExecSG to support memory allocator by providing remapping functionality but user applications can not really remap memory -- again because general design of shared address space Amiga OS does not allow this.
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  • Caterpillar
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    Posts: 37 from 2006/8/23
    Recent posts have reminded me of other things I would really miss.. OS4Depot and AmiUpdate.

    For the former, sure there is Aminet, which is of course excellent, but its really nice having one dedicated portal for OS4 native software, where all but very few people supporting OS4 upload their software.

    For the latter, it is simple, very effective, and getting more and more applications supported.
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    Posts: 2057 from 2003/6/4
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    xeron wrote:
    Recent posts have reminded me of other things I would really miss.. OS4Depot and AmiUpdate.

    For the former, sure there is Aminet, which is of course excellent, but its really nice having one dedicated portal for OS4 native software, where all but very few people supporting OS4 upload their software.

    For the latter, it is simple, very effective, and getting more and more applications supported.


    As for OS4-Depot. There is http://morphos.lukysoft.cz/en/index.php which is an index of much MorphOS software. It points to the actual location where the binary resides and *where*that actually is, seems not important to me.
    Plus, I still prefer when all amigaish sytsems would load ther stuff to Aminet which is the central resource for software since ages.

    MorphUp is indeed less used.
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    As for OS4-Depot. There is http://morphos.lukysoft.cz/en/index.php which is an index of much MorphOS software.



    Hmm.. I wouldn't call that much of a substitute.

    I don't mean to say that Aminet is not useful or interesting to an OS4.x user, but OS4Depot has been a real pleasure to use and something the OS4 userbase has really rallied around... hard to explain. Its more of a positive thing than even I thought it would be.
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  • Paladin of the Pegasos
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    jcmarcos
    Posts: 1178 from 2003/3/13
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    I agree that OS4-depot looks very nice, and it's one of the few things that I have evy for. Lukas' software index for MorphOS is great, but it's not in the same category, although it's just as useful.

    It's a pity that this very MorphZone indeed has a downloads functionality, but I don't see updates about it, nor a function for regular users to submit downloads.

    Targhan...?
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  • MorphOS Developer
    itix
    Posts: 1520 from 2003/2/24
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    I have to agree MorphUp has been disappointment. It needs too much attention and manual work from developer. It is just easier upload stuff to Aminet. Auto-update functionality probably should be built into applications. MorphUp method just does not work.

    OS4Depot I dont find very useful because there is Aminet. I dont have to go to two sites to find tools I need (sometimes available in 68k only) and Aminet is well maintained these days.
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  • »06.02.09 - 11:06
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  • ASiegel
    Posts: 1376 from 2003/2/15
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    We have contacted the maintainers of Aminet a while ago to discuss the possibility of integrating a download front-end on MorphZone which would present only those files that are useful to MorphOS users and provide a more focused and visually pleasing user experience.

    (This new frontend could be made available to other community websites which would conveniently allow the visitors of MorphZone, Meta MorphOS, Pegasosforum, and similar websites to share a single download database as opposed to the fragmented approach there is now.)

    Unfortunately, due to reasons beyond our control, most of our development resources have pretty much dried up with regard to MorphZone. If anybody would like to help out, contact us via PM.
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  • Caterpillar
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    Posts: 37 from 2006/8/23
    @itix
    I think if a "MorphDepot" had been around for as long as OS4Depot, and received as much support as OS4Depot, your opinion would probably be different.

    When OS4Depot was launched, I had more-or-less the same opinion as you. I was totally wrong.

    With regard to AmiUpdate, its simplicity is its strength, and also the reason why it is actually being used.

    To add AmiUpdate support to an app, you have to paste one function into your code and call it on startup (and maintain an Amiga version string). Then, when you release an update to the app, you fill in a very small web form and you're done. AmiUpdate itself handles everything, and you can rollback problematic updates.

    [ Edited by xeron on 2009/2/6 12:26 ]
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    Posts: 2096 from 2003/2/24
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    I think morphos-news.de's download area was similar than OS4depot for a long time. It was defacto standard for getting all the latest MorphOS software. I don't know why it hasn't been updated lately... I think it was good combination with it and the aminet.

    In any case, I'd prefer getting updates as separate archives, which you can save yourself for later use. Automatic updating is always suspicious for me ;)

    [ Edited by jPV on 2009/2/6 19:24 ]
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  • Yokemate of Keyboards
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    Andreas_Wolf
    Posts: 12164 from 2003/5/22
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    > It points to the actual location where the binary resides and
    > *where*that actually is, seems not important to me.

    Unfortunately, websites can vanish or move, rendering any links useless.
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  • Priest of the Order of the Butterfly
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    serge
    Posts: 725 from 2003/2/20
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    Fab wrote:

    @Serge

    What about WordWorth btw? Doesn't it print?

    you should be able to print with ambient itself, AFAIK (with text and image views, by pressing printscreen key).

    EDIT: damn, geit wrote it already. :)




    Hi Fab,

    I installed my TurboPrint another time from scrach and getted AmigaWriter working. Unfortunatly, I cant print on higer resolutions than 600dpi, but it's ok for me.

    I tryed another time Wordworth without succes.
    My printer is not postscript compatible. It's an InkJet Canon i865 I bought 4 yars ago and it works juste fine under MacosX, Windows and Linux. This was the best inkjet printer when it was released and is not a cheaper printer like geit suggested it, it do not cost 60 euros.
    Unfortunatly this printer doesn't support postscript.
    Most of inkjet printers bought before last two years doesn't support Postscript standard and most of "amiga-like" people dont bought professional printers to print from their morphos.

    @ Fab : I tryed to print from Ambient, but the Printscreen key does nothing. I printed a picture from Multiview with the print menu, but the aspect ration was not respected. My wife lost a lot of weight on this printed picture :-( The picture was stretched to complet all the A4 page. This should be a TurboPrint option, but I dont found it.
    Unfortunatly, Multiview doesn't print text.

    What I'm supposed to get when I press the print screen key? A print of the opened and activated window? A print from documents opened by Ambient tools like Multiview?

    More "the text editor" doesn't have print option, nor showgirl, nor mysticview.

    Is this feature discrybed somewhere? Maybe a pdf documentation?

    sorry to borring you guys, but printing is a very important feature on an operating system and at this time, I cant print properly with my favorite Operating system.

    Sorry for my badly english.
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  • Yokemate of Keyboards
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    Andreas_Wolf
    Posts: 12164 from 2003/5/22
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    > morphos-news.de's download area was similar than OS4depot for a
    > long time.

    Absolutely not. It had the very same concept as Luky's MorphOS Software Database, i.e. just linking to external sites and archives and no accompanying framework (screenshots, comments etc.).

    > It was defacto standard for getting all the latest MorphOS software.

    Don't think so. It has always been underused compared to Aminet, also regarding MorphOS software.
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  • MorphOS Developer
    itix
    Posts: 1520 from 2003/2/24
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    Unfortunatly, Multiview doesn't print text.



    What happened when you tried to print text? Multiview supports text printing and I tried it here where it printed text to a file (I dont have a real printer).
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  • Priest of the Order of the Butterfly
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    serge
    Posts: 725 from 2003/2/20
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    itix wrote:
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    Unfortunatly, Multiview doesn't print text.



    What happened when you tried to print text? Multiview supports text printing and I tried it here where it printed text to a file (I dont have a real printer).



    If I load a picture, then choosing print on the menu, the print begins.
    But If I do the same with text, there's no reaction from the printer, nor from the peg when I select print.

    [ Edited by serge on 2009/2/6 23:53 ]
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  • MorphOS Developer
    itix
    Posts: 1520 from 2003/2/24
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    @serge

    I see. Can you print text from any application?

    Generally printing support in MorphOS is what it is. Not many developers have printers nor print regularly...
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  • Priest of the Order of the Butterfly
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    serge
    Posts: 725 from 2003/2/20
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    itix wrote:
    @serge

    I see. Can you print text from any application?

    Generally printing support in MorphOS is what it is. Not many developers have printers nor print regularly...


    I can print text from morphED. It's slow but it works in text mode. margins dont exist and some words are cut on the page borders.

    I print from Amigawriter in bitmap mode. Works ok

    I print from Ibrowse. Text mode only cause Ibrowse dont support graphic mode if you dont use postscript. Ibrowse does lot of columns and uses one page per column which is very expensive and unreadable. This seems to be an Ibrowse problem and not a morphos problem. The bad thing is Ibrowse is the only web browser able to print at this time. Whish to get printing feature soon on OWB.


    Simplemail prints on text mode only, but unfortunatly there's a big problem with this characters: ?,?,?,?. they are replaced by other characters.


    [ Edited by serge on 2009/2/7 1:28 ]
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    If I want only Morphos-stuff I look always at:
    http://pegasos.kvalitne.cz/software/en/
    and I lway find the ltest software for Morphos....

    regards Tom
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    What would it take to get more Pegasos2 motherboards, or complete systems produced? Is it impossible, or just too expensive?

    Edit: Sorry, put this in the wrong thread.

    [ Edited by amigadave on 2009/2/7 23:48 ]
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  • Acolyte of the Butterfly
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    pegasosuser
    Posts: 138 from 2004/4/9
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    I have a question

    use AmigaOS 4.1 for PegasosII Altivec?

    greetings Cor van Londen.
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  • Priest of the Order of the Butterfly
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    @amigadave

    Alas they can't make any more PegII following the ROHS (?) Health and safey guildlines that came to protect the amount of lead and other other dodgy stuff in computers which had an effect on a lot of low volume makers of computer compents.

    Dunno how easy it would be to make them again, but it would probably be better to make something more uptodate faster with sata etc and just port MorphOS+AmigaOS 4.1 to it.

    Like old Macs... I know, I know..
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