Fab,
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I'll have a go at your suggestion, and hopefully that will modify Ambient to my liking - Many Thanks for your help.

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Yes, Simplemail seems to only allow the older Amiga-type Copy/Cut/Paste option via the 'Amiga' key combination, but I generally use that method anyway, if I've not been using Mac or Windows just before using my MorphOS or Classic Amiga PPC/68k system.

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That's another keypress learned, but where are the Ambient shortcut definitions on MorphOS kept, in which drawer/folder?

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OK, but I would prefer to be able to use just the keyboard rather than a right mouse click, it's much more instantaneous, than guiding a mouse to a point on the screen, and right clicking over it, but I'll try to find the IControl settings and modify them as required - again thanks.

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OK, it's just that I had never encountered a right click option on OS3.9 over a screen-to-back button in the topmost right corner of the screen with visual options incorporated in it, so I naturally thought Ambient would be handling that, but if you say it's Intuition then I'll trust your Intuition, and knowledge on the subject. Thanks

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OK, that's some more keys to learn, but is there some documentation that can be read that relates to such features (keyboard shortcut list) for OWB within the program. I'm writing this on one of my Windows systems, at the moment as I've got some data transfer ongoing, and thought it rude to not have replied by now, to your extensive and thorough list of answers to my questions, so if the docs that explain this are in any guide or PDF for OWB that comes with the application then I'd be sorry to have mentioned it.

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Do you know if Icon Editor from OS3.9 will run under MorphOS 3.2 as I could use that, as I've not had much success with Sketch as it has locked-up my system a few times now, and I thik I may have only completed one icon edit before it locked up my system, and lost all I'd done. If you've not realised I'm not that impressed with Sketch - as yet.

I almost forgot to ask, why are there no options to save a page as html, or save an image from a webpage with OWB, as you get with every other browser that I've used. All the options I get, with a right mouse click, are watch video, or reload video or similar, but not to save an image or download the page as html, etc.

Bye the way, thanks guys for all your help so far.

I like OWB a lot, but I've got to learn more about it I know, but I feel sure there is more to harness, or make more obvious as to how to accomplish tasks that seem to be out of reach, but the lack of knowledge of how it does things may be what is hampering my progress so far.

NewSense,
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If you want a really nice painting kind of program for MorphOS download TVPaint. After you are done editing your icon image(s) with TVPaint then use something like ImageFX or ShowGirls to scale/crop/save/etc. as PNG. If you need to copy/replace an icon just open the icon information window and drag'n'drop a new icon over the old one. There is a good chance the OS3.9 icon editor would work if the correct Re-Action/Class Act GUI toolkit was installed. You could also scan aminet and see if an older icon editor would work. A lot of 2.x/3.x software will work ok on MorphOS.

You can also do a lot of file related stuff with Directory Opus 4 which I use in conjunction to ambient all the time just like I did when I used an Amiga and workbench. Having only a graphical desktop isn't always handy for file operations so Dopus4 is a fantastic thing to have around. Have it open on it's own screen (Workbench:Clone) and make sure to select some larger fonts like (XCourier 15) and (XHelvetica 13) though as the defaults are too small on higher resolution screens.

TV Paint:
http://www.amigafuture.de/downloads.php?view=detail&df_id=3598

Dopus 4.16:
http://dopus.free.fr/download.php

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Menu: Project->Save as HTML... or Menu:Project->Save as PDF...
Also right clicking an image should show you "Save image as..." but maybe not for a video or other content


[ Edited by realstar 07.07.2013 - 00:20 ]

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Hmm? What I've been using OSX it has exactly the same keyboard combination for copy/cut/paste with Amiga... I felt like home because I didn't have to use that frigging CTRL like on Windows. For me it seems that Windows is pretty much the only OS using those non-standard CTRL-key options... for other OS'es CTRL-C is to break program, not for copying.

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IControl -> Hotkeys -> All Windows: Depth Menu. Then you can hit the keyboard shortcut and use the cursor keys to select wanted window.

[ Edited by jPV 07.07.2013 - 10:29 ]

Use the mouse and not stupid keyboard hotkeys.

1) How did you hear about MorphOS?

In Dan Woods video "why im an amiga user in 2011" on youtube
I loved Amiga back in the mid 90s but got sucked into the windows world when it became popular around 3.11/95

2) When did you first try MorphOS (version, hardware), and what made you decide to give it a try?

On a Mac mini G4 i bought. I was in a mood wanting to try new things out and was messing around alot with virtual box at the same time.
I also have i Linux PC but i do not use it very much at all as i use MorphOS.
3.1 was the first version i tried.

3) What was/is your 'ususal OS' (ie one that you're most accustomed to) and what did you find most confusing / frustrating when first trying out MorphOS?

I use OSX for my everyday use and have never been much disapointed with it at all, quite the opposite i like it alot.

4) Were there any simple concepts that you just 'didn't get' until explained by a friend/asked in the forums (eg right-clicking for menus, finding system settings, etc)?

After a 2-3 hours playing around with the OS i pretty much found most of the things i use. There was some settings in OWB i had to ask for but it was no biggie.


5) What limitation or annoyance frustrates you the most (Or is there anything you are expecting to work which doesn't work)?

I was annoyed over the slow internet connection i got with MorphOS in 3.1 but it seems alot better in 3.2.
What i miss for the moment in MorphOS.
A presentation software (keynote/power point).
Some more printer drivers.
Larger file system (127 gb limit).

But actually most of the things have worked for me even if sometimes i had to look things up.

> What i miss for the moment in MorphOS. [...] Larger file system (127 gb limit).

IceFS can do that.

Cool! Ill try that.

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It was actually that same video that made me interested in MOS as well! I think it was the balanced presentation that sold it. He didn't come out as a fan boy. It was the fan boys that made me buy that crappy AmigaOne 500 and blantly told me to "suck it up" when I was pissed that the system was unusuable (it has gotten better now, I know, but when I sold the system after a couple of months it was still pure sh*t, and I mean it). So I turned to AROS, but now my main system is MorphOS and Windows since I can use most of my everyday stuff with MOS but not with AROS. Windows is there for all the other stuff I can't do.

Hello,

Firstly, thank you to Ravi who I met at the VCF in Snibston for the MorphOS 3.2 trial CD. Unfortunately it fails to boot for my iBook G4 from 2004. I get the following message and it goes no further:

Quark/OpenFirmware
console active
System: PowerBook6,5 Rev <>
CPU0: <PPC7447A> Version 0x8003 Revision 0x102
CPU0: CPUClock 1199999997 BUSClock 13312428

More specs reported by Profiler: 768MB RAM
1.2 GHz PowerPC G4 (1.2)
L2 Cache: 512KB
Bus Speed: 133 MHz
Boot ROM Version: 4.87f1
ATI Mobility Radeon 9200
Type: Display Bus: AGP VRAM Total: 32 MB, Devide ID: 0x5c63
Revision ID: 0x0001 ROM Revision: 113-xxxxx-142
Resolution: 1024 x 768 Depth: 32-Bit Color

[ Edited by djrikki 08.07.2013 - 19:57 ]

[double post]

[ Edited by ASiegel 15.07.2013 - 12:19 ]

Fab,
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I was testing this feature of Ctrl + number keys, Shift key etc., and noticed that if the mouse pointer is in the window of the browser that often the keyboard presses are not recognised, and nothing happens.

Fab, are you aware of this problem?

Also, in OWB, is there a way to move the navigation buttons onto the Menu line, as a lot of screen space is taken up by both lines which take up less than half a width of the screen, on a fairly normal 1024 x 768, or larger screen, and is there a way to add a Help button to link to any documentation for OWB so a FAQ and other Help can be gained while still using the program/browser. Thanks

Tom01
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I don't say to you that you should not use stupid mouse presses/movements, and I'm sure we'd all appreciate a few less comments worded like that, rather than making such remarks, which are uncalled for. Thanks

NewSense,
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Actually MorphOS already supports many modern printers. Every model, that supports postscript (most "middle-to-higher end models)

Of course "cheap (until cartridge change) inkjets" are a completely different issue, but I don't think you were referring to them.

@NewSense:
sorry for not being so much clear in my previous post! As Andreas explained I was referring to browser mode feature and that's why you weren't able to find any button to browse.

NewSense,
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Inside OWB Project menu you have two options: save as HTML and save as PDF. They do exactly what you are looking for.
About images simply place the pointer on an image and click right mouse button and you will find different options to treat images:

open image in anew window
open image in a new tab
save image as
copy image
copy image location
block image from (website name of image)

If you copy an image you can paste it inside a drawing program. I managed to paste to ShowGirl and ArtEffect but not to Sketch or Paint.

I bought a G4 to try mos but it's broken anyway'm an old Amiga user, I had a 1200 many years ago I used to play is enough, after all this time he discovered aros but it was still immature as a system, I use only systems amiga days all belong in Right now I'm waiting on my G5, I used aros for a while, then I bought an Amiga OS4 and xe but broke down, however, saw the lack of the browser (there are but they are not like here on MorphOS) which is essential for me, however abandoned OS4 because computers cost as much as a G5, I paid 150 Euros and is much more powerful of all computers that support os4 without taking into account that morphos than OS4 is more comprehensive than many features (for example ambient, the shell etc..).
Anyway I went on aros but it is still a very immature and there are few programs emulation 68k I do not like, even if you can say with utilzzare sufficiency daily in the global context was wondering more, morphos I think it's the perfect system for me, reminds amiga, I can use old programs 68k smoothly, a good browser, supports my old printer, the price for development is not a problem (if not not exist), the hardware is cheap, what you ask for!!!

Hi all

Jambalah,
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I realised that when Andreas mentioned browser mode, but I don't use it as a general rule, though I should give it a go I suppose - but thanks for mentioning it.

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I'm aware of that, but often there are only the options of Back, Reload, Watch video, Download video - even when there is NO video to download such as on this page, and on this page it does not offer the option to download the background, or save the background image, which I find strange, as all the other browsers I use, I seem to think, do offer this option.

I've used the save as PDF a few times to try to workaround that problem, but on some sites it 'crops' the edge of the text too closely and you end up with 80% of the first character on the left hand side, usually, on each line of text, which is a bit annoying - but better than nothing.

Of course, on some websites you don't get much of the original content, or the way it is set out looks nothing like the way it was when it was viewable on the monitor, but you do get some of the content saved, either as text and/or as graphics

Some PDFs don't end up as viewable as they seem on screen, as they sometimes have animated 'GIF' files and then you get a black background or the whole image blacked out, or some other strange visual effect, and there are obviously graphic elements on a page, but a right mouse click, when hovering over them just offers the basic menu again of Back, Reload, Watch video, Download video.

Don't get me wrong I can see that a lot of work has gone into OWB, and it's good, really good, but it would be good to have better documentation for it, and built-in Help, and when you save as HTML then the page HTML should also save the graphic elements for the page, so it could basically be loaded up off-line, and look just about the same, as you can do with Firefox.

I'd also like to be able to get the scroll bar to move from the bottom to the top, or vice versa or anywhere in between to move continuously in the direction of where a mouse button is held down in the scroll bar until the bar actually reaches the mouse position with just the one mouse press, as you get in Firefox, rather than having to keep clicking it to advance it to the next bar position, and then the next, etc. as that seems a logical step to improve on.

I know I can use the page up/down keys, but why doesn't it / hasn't it been made to work with the mouse as well?

I'm sure there are features I'm overlooking day to day because there is so little thorough printable documentation available about the browser and it's options, but you've all been very helpful, so big thanks.

[ Edited by NewSense 13.07.2013 - 02:51 ]

Here are all the known ways to scroll the page on OWB:

1. use the scrollwheel on mouse
2. click, hold, and drag the scroll bar itself to move smoothly/continuously up/down
3. click inside scroll bar container to move one page at a time
4. double click your scrollwheel and then move mouse to get a freely panning directional scroller
5. keyboard arrow keys
6. hold shift and press arrow up down to go one whole page at a time
7. click or click'n'hold on little arrows (slow)

any others...? It is a little odd that you can not jump directly to a position inside the scroll bar
to go direct to that absolute spot in the page somehow. I usually just grab the scrollbar and move
the mouse quickly to a position I want to see on a longer page. Otherwise I use the scrollwheel.

Continuously clicking inside scroll container is useful if you want to see what's between where
you started at and where you are heading to without skipping over everything in between too fast.


[ Edited by realstar 12.07.2013 - 23:57 ]

> often there are only the options of Back, Reload, Watch video, Download
> video - even when there is NO video to download such as on this page
> [...]
> there are obviously graphic elements on a page, but a right mouse click,
> when hovering over them just offers the basic menu again of Back, Reload,
> Watch video, Download video.

I don't think I ever encountered video options for non-video files with OWB. That sounds strange.

> on this page it does not offer the option to download the background,
> or save the background image, which I find strange, as all the other
> browsers I use, I seem to think, do offer this option.

True, OWB doesn't seem to offer a context menu for images loaded via CSS.

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That sounds like contextual menus configuration for getVideo script. If user hasn't added them himself, it's probably from Ultimate/Chrysalis pack.

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8. hold scrollwheel and move the mouse (I use this a lot, old 3 button Amiga habit from IBrowse and other MUI programs)
9. pageup and pagedown keys
10. space and backspace to jump pages (I use space a lot, it's big and easy to push)
11. home and end to jump beginning or end of the page

[ Edited by jPV 13.07.2013 - 12:45 ]

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I think you can save every image (including the background image) from a web page with WebInspector. Enable it from OWB settings and then you can RMB click page and select Inspect Element. Then select Resources and browse the web page tree to the Images.

jPV,
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Yes that works, it's a bit fiddly but it generally enables what I was after - strange way to do it, but hey, I'm happy enogh with that solution - Thanks jPV

By the way, the other Video contextual menu options are related to the Get Video scripts I believe, but I don't get watchable video from YouTube on my Mac Mini 1.5GHz even with the scripts - unless I'm doing something wrong.

The functionality of the mouse repeating it's signal once clicked and held down maybe a remnant of the way the Amiga used to operate, and hasn't been changed under MorphOS, but the PC and I seem to remember the Mac have this functionality.

I've found it useful, when I'm using the mouse on Windows or a Mac to be able to go quickly back to the top or bottom of a scrolling window to just click at the very top or bottom, and hold the mouse button down.

Of course the other suggestions when using OWB of using page up/down, or space bar, or backspace key are also worthy contenders, but don't answer the question as to the feasability of getting the mouse button to be able to handle the scroll bar in the way I've mentioned. Thanks all for your suggestions

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Check if you have the latest getVideo script installed. Youtube changes its format every now and then and scripts must be adapted. getVideo scirpts are probably in your SYS:C/ directory... compare them to files on this archive: http://aminet.net/package/comm/www/getvideo

If it isn't about that, then you might not have mplayer in path or wrong path defined for mplayer in getVideo.cfg file or something like that... anyway, that latest script works just fine here with Mac mini 1.5GHz... I often use that now when YouTube is bitching again... getVideo works always while embedded player may act...

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I don't quite get why it would be easier to click on certain (small?) area there to get back to top... rather than dragging it with scrollbar itself (then you can adjust the speed and easily stop if there's something interesting while going :)) But well.. I guess there's certain small point for more options, but I've quite tired nowadays to have that accurate aiming with mouse.

[ Edited by jPV 14.07.2013 - 11:01 ]

> the other Video contextual menu options are related to the Get Video scripts
> I believe, but I don't get watchable video from YouTube on my Mac Mini 1.5GHz
> even with the scripts - unless I'm doing something wrong.

Just do as told there in order to do nothing wrong:

https://morph.zone/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?forum=3&topic_id=9130&start=41

GetVideo is an alternative to this for the rare situations where the preferred method won't work.

Other two ways to scroll page up and down are:
alt + space bar (scrolls a page down)
alt + shift + space bar (scrolls a page up)
Moving cursor on scroll bar container and press left amiga + left alt will act as you are clicking inside the container and will scroll pages up or down (depending on mouse position) till scroll will reach cursor. If you press left alt before left amiga the resize double arrowed line will appear but it will be possible to move scroll bar anyway.

jPV,
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I just checked, and I only had version 0.30 of GetVideo installed, so I've updated to 0.32 now. I also am not sure the first time I went on You Tube that I'd subscribed to the HTML5 feature, so maybe the cookie wasn't allowing the correct functionality for OWB. Anyway, I've been back on there and some videos do seem to run quicker, but I didn't get any of the recent films to load, such as Cloud Atlas, does this film download/work for you?

The mouse scrollbar thing is sometimes quicker at the moment, but of course there is always the Ctrl + Home / End option that takes you straight back to the top or bottom of the page, that I also use, but I just wondered why the mouse scroll - that I use on Firefox and Safari, etc. do not work with OWB. It's only a minor point as there are so many other options available, I just wondered if it is possible to get the mouse to trigger this action, that's all.

[ Edited by NewSense 15.07.2013 - 03:43 ]