> SIL

I think it's SiI, which is short for Silicon Image.

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Well, I plan to use all three systems. Now I have only AROS installed but the WiFi is not working, so I don't even run it. I should remove my signature though.

I tried MorphOS 2.5 and 2.6 but I never had AmigaOS4. Also, now I cannot imagine getting any extra machine other than OS4 system than dual boot notebook with MorphOS and MacOSX. I'm moving to a smaller apartment so I need some more room Anyway I know Sam is "overpriced" as many call it, but I will get the cheapest box anyway. Also, the system works on it for the sake, I don't need no buzz or whistles. Regarding Peg, I presume it costs more (or approximately the same) but when I'm given an option to get something new, I'm getting something new. I just hate used electronics, as long as I have a choice.

I will get next Mac PPC notebook only because (1) no other new HW is planned for morphos (2) and as long as I exchange HDD and CD-ROM for new parts and (3) when wifi is done so that I can connect it home or outdoors.

I simply want OS4 now and I want it before MorphOS, also because MorphOS notebook release isn't that sure before January. And Sam is (will be) the cheapest new computer to get it. Besides, I wish to donate ACube by that way so really, no big deal I suppose.

@magnetic: SATA support is disabled for Powermacs in 2.6, as I remember (looking forward to use a SATA board in my Gigabit, too).

For your other points, what about MLDonkey? It was a shiny MUI GUI, called OWB... I think the webinterface is very easy to handle. To have Helios integrated would be very cool indeed. But I'm not sure if an application like UAE should be integrated into the OS, MorphOS has even a good level of legacy support without it.

> I know Sam is "overpriced" as many call it, but I will get the cheapest box anyway.
> [...] Regarding Peg, I presume it costs more (or approximately the same) but
> when I'm given an option to get something new, I'm getting something new.

New Sam440ep-flex boards incl. OS4.1 start at about 600 EUR at the moment:
http://www.efunzine.com/efnz.php?a=pro&id=572

I think you could get a Pegasos II G4 board plus OS4.1 for a lower price. OS4.1 for Pegasos II is about 135 EUR at the moment:
http://www.efunzine.com/efnz.php?a=pro&id=575

That would leave up to about 460 EUR for a Pegasos II G4 board.

> MorphOS notebook release isn't that sure before January.

I think it's completely out of the question before January, and even some months after that.

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I wouldn't call it a minor bug fix release if it enables me to actually install MOS on my Power Mac!. :). I'm sitting dead in the water here.

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Wrong link.

Here's a cheapest Peg II, cheapest config, new they call it:

http://www.efunzine.com/efnz.php?a=pro&id=316

And the cost is 740 Eur.

Here, there's an offer for complete Sam440 system:

Relec

It's around Eur 760, so similar price.

In both cases, you still need a system license.

Still, my claim of comparable prices holds. Besides, I'm not sure if "new pegs" are still possible to get.

[ Edited by DiskDoctor on 2010/11/30 20:49 ]

> Wrong link.

I don't think so. My link leads to OS4.1 for Pegasos II, which the (fresh) owner of a Pegasos II can purchase. Yours leads to an allegedly new Pegasos II G4 system without OS4.1.

> Here's a cheapest Peg II, cheapest config, new they call it:
> http://www.efunzine.com/efnz.php?a=pro&id=316
> And the cost is 740 Eur.

As you say yourself, it's allegedly new, so it's surely not "cheapest". Cheapest would be a used Pegasos II G4 board for 460 EUR or less, as I told.

> Here, there's an offer for complete Sam440 system: Relec
> It's around Eur 760

So that Sam440ep-flex system including OS4.1 is about 900 EUR. I think you could get a Pegasos II G4 system plus OS4.1 for a lower price. 140 EUR for OS4.1 for Pegasos II would leave up to about 760 EUR for a Pegasos II G4 system.

> In both cases, you still need a system license.

Yes, see my link. The one that you called "wrong".

> my claim of comparable prices holds.

For allegedly *new* Pegasos II G4 systems, yes. While that's not what I've been comparing I'd surely know whether to get a new Sam440ep-flex or a new Pegasos II G4 for the same cost.

> I'm not sure if "new pegs" are still possible to get.

I didn't refer to "new pegs" but to used ones. I wasn't even aware that new Pegasos boards or systems could even be purchased nowadays.

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Way to go Magnetic..

"1.a built in torrent client with gui that works otb. " -Yes! Simple, easy torrent and ftp support.

"9. hardware accelerated CAIRO libs for OWB" - Ok, but what hardware (it software driven so you don't mean the CPU - so what hardware, the GPU?

well since it's a wish list, Office Suite
I thought people were working on this

> Office Suite
> I thought people were working on this

Who?

1. Unicode.
2. MTP including client.

> 2. Video Preview Thumbnails in ambient (as promised forever ago)

Would be nice, even just a single frame. Nicer would be render 5 thumbnails in a strip, evenly spaced in time somewhat like the Sony XMB.

> 7. Built in UAE support so you can double click an .adf and it just works.

I assume that you can't just set up a MIME type to accomplish this ? Wouldn't it be better to fix the problem that stops you from doing it this way ?

> 9. hardware accelerated CAIRO libs for OWB

Skia might be interesting as a step to achieve something like this : http://code.google.com/p/skia/

> 10. Rename "owb"

This is on my list at #10000

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It's completely possible with MIME types, and described in many places (including UAE archive), but magnetic doesn't want to configure it himself, apparently. :)

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While this is a dream list and I of course would dream of an office solutionwith thebest of MSO & OOo with some additional DTP functions I don't think it is that desperately needed since Google docs and Zoho actually are working nicely with OWB.
Okay, just yesterday I had trouble with google docs (had a macro loaded doc made with MS Word), google docs struggled, but eventually so did OOo.
I more or less had to get rid of all macros and do it by hand to make the result similar to the result obtained with MSO.

@Andreas
Damn Andreas, please don't send me filtering through threads for the linky...
seriously though it was floating around about a year ago in one of the many postings regarding Ooo and the issue with Aos4 having some supposingly x11 set-up, anyway, someone was working on the bounty. I know it's in one of my threads from way back, but I have no better info without looking up the thread...sorry

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Sure, but that's putting upside down many things... What's so unusable without Unicode?

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What's "MTP"? I don't recall a single mention here. By the way, yesterday I digged out a data cable for my "dumbphone" Nokia, plugged it into my Windows machine, and got shocked at it offering a "MTP" service, which in turn opened Windows Media Player's sync function...

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That's a great idea! Decoding videos is enough of a daunting task, let alone plug it to icon rendering. Also, if those thumbnails are spaced in time, it's actually better that waiting for a tiny video to get to the point its content can be recognised.

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Not even Microsoft has an office solution as part of its opearting system. Remember, we are talking about features inside a MorphOS release. It's like wanting MorphOS to come with a music tracker included.

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What a pity for PageStream... I think having such a good browser as we already have is great. Who knows, perhaps document handling as we now is bound to dissapear in favour of "cloud" applications. It already has legitimate advantages, such as natural sharing of documents.

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a. Any foreign language that cannot be represented by 8 bits.
b. Multiple languages in one application.

Applications like OWB can browse certain language web pages and it can render in a suitable font, but it can't change the window title to the same language.

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Media Transfer Protocol. It's used by many mp3 players and presumably many other devices. Apparently it's an extension to PTP which is used by digital cameras.

There is some preliminary support in Poseidon but I could not get it to work. I would like to be able to sync my music collection through MorphOS. Currently I have to dual boot to Debian and do it via Amarok.

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You would have to parse and decode some of the video to do it, but instead of an animated icon it would make more sense to "mouseover" and get a thumbnail strip in a tooltip or open in a hexview type thing. IIRC CISC had implemented some animated icon feature but I never saw it; if it was decoding and playing multiple videos scaled then it would be a huge drag on CPU.

Creating the thumbnails is something that FFMPEG could do, no sweat (hint to Fab ;)

> What's "MTP"?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Media_Transfer_Protocol

> I don't recall a single mention here.

https://morph.zone/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?topic_id=4331&forum=11&post_id=47505#47505

Edit: koan was faster.

[ Edited by Andreas_Wolf on 2010/12/1 17:20 ]

> it was floating around about a year ago in one of the many postings
> regarding Ooo and the issue with Aos4 having some supposingly
> x11 set-up, anyway, someone was working on the bounty. I know it's
> in one of my threads from way back, but I have no better info without
> looking up the thread

https://morph.zone/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?forum=32&topic_id=7039

You mean that one? If yes, from that thread I can't see anybody working on an office suite for MorphOS.

> IIRC CISC had implemented some animated icon feature but I never saw it

Latest "news" on that (by Fab):

https://morph.zone/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?topic_id=6829&forum=3&post_id=70155#70155

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Well, i know. I wrote this video icon preview thingy and i used FFmpeg, of course. But it's not released because:
1. it has to be done better (as a plugin/sublib and not directly in thumbnails.library as it's done currently).
2. bad/corrupted input can be an issue... For instance, when you encounter a divx with corrupted/missing index, the preview stalls for quite some time on the offending file (until the view is closed). Worse, some bad files can also crash ffmpeg.
3. It's really not a very important feature, anyway. :)

[ Edited by Fab on 2010/12/1 17:04 ]

@Andreas
yea I came across those, and as much as I hate thread surfing, I went through and gave up, cause I couldn't find the part about donating to the alternate bounty where the person was supposingly working on (not OOo)but
a solution which was to be better than anything AOS4 had, whether it was the Gnome or what. Tried as I did, I couldn't find it. So statement retracted due to lack of proof

> I went through and gave up, cause I couldn't find the part about donating to the
> alternate bounty where the person was supposingly working on (not OOo)but
> a solution which was to be better than anything AOS4 had, whether it was the
> Gnome or what. Tried as I did, I couldn't find it.

https://morph.zone/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?topic_id=7039&forum=32&post_id=72654#72654

You mean this? If yes, then see there:

https://morph.zone/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?topic_id=6382&forum=32&post_id=78647#78647

> statement retracted due to lack of proof :-(

Fair enough.

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See IcExcel spreadsheet by Panergy Software, [ad]maker of DocX converter [/ad]. It supports xls files readout and csv export. Works with the Basilisk II but one needs Mac OS 7 or 8 to run it.

I was given a key exclusively for MorphOS community So please bug me on PM to get one. 100% legal as long as you (1) could stand emulation (2) get MAC roms somehow

BTW @Andreas thanks for the Peg chat and all links.

I will not consider used Peg. But as OS4 can be run on Peg II as well (dual boot I presume too), I will indeed consider Peg2 then.

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[ Edited by DiskDoctor on 2010/12/1 19:27 ]

>>> Office Suite
>>> I thought people were working on this

>> Who?

> See IcExcel spreadsheet by Panergy Software [...] Works
> with the Basilisk II but one needs Mac OS 7 or 8 to run it.

I don't consider a program running on MacOS within a Mac emulator on MorphOS an office suite for MorphOS.

> as OS4 can be run on Peg II as well (dual boot I presume too),
> I will indeed consider Peg2 then.

I'd be interested to know if eFUNZINe really sell *new* Pegasos II G4 systems as they claim. Do you consider to try to buy a new Pegasos II from them? Or from elsewhere?

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Me neither, just mentioned that. The point is for excel files, one no longer needs additional OS, even though it is run by Basilisk. But you know, this is better than i.e. AmiCYgnix since Basilisk shares some directory with MorphOS while AmiCygnix doesn't.

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Me too, I will email them (I did about Efika, they seem to have new efika too). Do you know of any other "elsewhere"?

EDIT* typo

[ Edited by DiskDoctor on 2010/12/1 19:49 ]