Another interesting claim from Mr. Papara:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7KCghkQiqhI

At 0:50 it says "Fastest PPC-code execution".

More there:

"MorphOS.... there is a chance. It is my turn, to prove the usability of a PPC OS via emulation during this year. Everything else depends on the developers."
http://aros-exec.org/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?post_id=53975#forumpost53975

Any comments by the MorphOS Team on this?

"Fastest PPC-code execution"?
Emulation on an X86 that is faster than a 2.7 G5 (or even a 1.8 Ghz G4)?
Bold announcement for a project that isn't finished.

Regardless of how such a scheme would work or perform, a native port of MorphOS to X86 with PPC emulation for legacy code would perform better.

"MorphOS.... there is a chance"
Why does he continue to make statements about MorphOS without the involvement of the development team?

Quote:
This person does not talk in behalf of the MorphOS Team. Why he keeps posting in such a fashion that might give this impression is beyond me.

Just for the future: Nothing he says should be taken to indicate anything MorphOS Team might or not not be doing or planning to do. I hope this is clear enough now?

Apparent immediately on examination Piru. Thanks for the confirmation.

I'm still not sure why he's selling a six core Phenom based system for an OS that uses one core.

> Nothing he says should be taken to indicate anything MorphOS Team might
> or not not be doing or planning to do. I hope this is clear enough now?

Absolutely, Sir! ;-) Thanks for your reply.

I would even prefer if he would clearly avoid (ab)using MorphOS for his sales propaganda.

So far he didnt even manage to deliver AMC for MorphOS which is announced for quite a while but delayed for months now (not that I'm holding my breath for its release) ....

Hi,

let me clear up some of my "advertising" sentences like fastest PPC code execution.

I mean Rosetta and or Doplphin. So in fact the hardware does what i say.

Why i am selling a 6core?
Hmm maybe because of Windows, OS X, Linux and especially Broadway X ?

I have no YES from Team Morphos but a "ok show what you have, we could at least talk about" from one member.... which is enough for me. So a minimal chance is there. Or am i wrong?

What is bad about this? Team MorphOS can still control on what hardware it runs.


[ Edited by phoenixkonsole on 2011/3/13 11:24 ]

Before you ask.... i just asked Frank Mariak what he is thinking about this idea. So he sayed not yes but also not no.... thats all.

[ Edited by phoenixkonsole on 2011/3/13 11:28 ]

> I mean Rosetta and or Doplphin. So in fact the hardware does what i say.

So you did some benchmarking against a POWER7 or at least a quad-core PPC970 machine?

> i just asked Frank Mariak what he is thinking about this idea.
> So he sayed not yes but also not no

And here is this thread he just said you should better "avoid (ab)using MorphOS for [your] sales propaganda".

Hmm i have been asked about it and answered. If this is propaganda for you than it is fine for me. If you mean the wording about fastest PPC-execution.. this is valid for other OS-distributions than MOS which actually are working out of the box.

> If this is propaganda for you

Pega-1 aka Frank Mariak called it propaganda. I didn't say yet if for me it's propaganda or not.

> If you mean the wording about fastest PPC-execution.. this is valid
> for other OS-distributions than MOS which actually are working out of
> the box.

This doesn't answer my question. I'll ask it again: So you did some benchmarking against a POWER7 or at least a quad-core PPC970 machine?

With "you" i meant the german "ihr"

Well i am a mac user since years and can say that it is faster than a quad g5 in general use of ppc (non universal binaries). Sure if we make number crunching the Power7 will be faster but can you get a Power7 this cheap? It is just a statement compared to the last available consumer macs. So you can destroy my "propaganda" with every more modern PPC Cpu. I agree.

> With "you" i meant the german "ihr"

Fair enough. But even the plural "you" would include me and so far I didn't call your statement "propaganda". But to be honest, I'm more and more inclined to do so.

> it is faster than a quad g5 in general use of ppc

Could you provide some numbers from your benchmark tests please?

> if we make number crunching the Power7 will be faster

Which means your machine does *not* provide the "Fastest PPC-code execution", right?

> but can you get a Power7 this cheap?

No, but your claim doesn't contain anything about costs, only about performance. Maybe you should change it to include costs as well.

> It is just a statement compared to the last available consumer macs.

But that's not what the claim says. There's more to PPC than just the old PPC Macs.

> you can destroy my "propaganda" with every more modern PPC Cpu. I agree.

Nice that you agree. Now let's see if that is just lip service :-)

@Andreas_Wolf
PowerPC != Power, they are two different (though related) ISAs. Therefore, it is fair to exclude Power7 from these discussions. If you wanted to avoid offending pedantic people you could change the claim to 'Fastest PPC code execution on consumer-grade hardware'.

[ Edited by HenryCase on 2011/3/13 14:00 ]

> PowerPC != Power, they are two different (though related) ISAs.

Starting with POWER3 (aka "PPC630"), the POWER microarchitecture has been implementing the PowerPC ISA. Thus, POWER3 through POWER7 is able to execute the full PowerPC instruction set.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_POWER_microprocessors#POWER3
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/POWER3
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PowerPC_600#PowerPC_630

> Therefore, it is fair to exclude Power7 from these discussions.

As shown above, it is not.

> you could change the claim to 'Fastest PPC code execution on
> consumer-grade hardware'.

Yes, that would be another possibility for him, besides the one I outlined already.

OK

'Fastest PPC code execution on consumer-grade hardware'

+

AresOne 2011 costs with Phenom x4 3,4GHZ each core and comes 486.70Euros

And the AresOne Pro comes around 1200€.

Benchmarks will follow.

But in the meantime:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r9iUSoPOuU4

And the second best choice
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p808z0nfkDQ



[ Edited by phoenixkonsole on 2011/3/13 14:56 ]

> Benchmarks will follow.

Nice. I'm looking forward to your benchmark test results against a quad-core PPC970 machine (PowerMac G5 or Fixstars PowerStation).

@phoenixkonsole:

Just out of curiosity, do you advertise your systems on a1k.org as "Fastest 68k execution on consumer-targeted hardware"?

[ Edited by analogkid on 2011/3/13 15:22 ]

@phoenixkonsole

PearPC 0.4 ?
http://pearpc.sourceforge.net

[ Edited by Divinity on 2011/3/13 16:15 ]

http://creativemac.digitalmedianet.com/articles/viewarticle.jsp?id=39065

Well a 2006 coreduo (not a core2) wasn't bad at this time compared to a G5 Quad. I will show some 2011 realworld results asap.
This is Rosetta. PearPC is performance is around 1/20 - 1/15 of the host performance.

Dolphin is the way to go. PearPC would mean the less work but less performance.


[ Edited by phoenixkonsole on 2011/3/13 17:06 ]

http://www.barefeats.com/quad06.html

Sad. And now make a jump from 2006 to 2011 and you know what i mean.

@phoenixkonsole

ok Rosetta, PearPC and Dolphin, but (I don't understand) ... Do you have a your own PowerPC emulator code ?

No i don't let develop anything from scratch. So it means that the changed code had to be made public which means again that everyone could build his own MOS-Emu... which is bad because you could just share images.(piracy)

I am talking about:
Create a fictional PPC HArdware based on Dolphins code
A WII HD with more Ram if you like.

Port MOS to this fictional Hardware

Secure the install-process to make piracy impossible.
My solution is to use a native(not emulated) installer and use a Key which is part of the Bios(and on top personalized).

That is all. A mixture of patching an existing Emu and an native(closed source) installer with some security checks running natively.

> Create a fictional PPC HArdware based on Dolphins code
> A WII HD with more Ram if you like.
>
> Port MOS to this fictional Hardware

Maybe you should talk to MorphOS Team member CISC. He thinks that "among current-gen consoles the Wii is still the most likely candidate for MorphOS". So maybe he's interested in a port of MorphOS to an emulated (and extended) Wii as well.

Some older statements:

https://morph.zone/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?topic_id=6993&forum=3&post_id=77928#77928