Missing feature
  • MorphOS Developer
    geit
    Posts: 1049 from 2004/9/23
    Quote:

    Amigaharry2 wrote:
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    geit schrieb:
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    I use two displays, which show me two separate screens at once. Thats a modern feature, which is handy.

    AFAIK you use a MacMini - how do you do that (on MorphOS)?



    I currently use a PowerMac G4 933Mhz as my main system, but I used a MacMini with two screens, too. All you need is a tablett wth a VNC client and a virtual graphic card. This virtual graphic card gets exposed via VNC to that tablett and voila dual display. You can even move the mouse out of screen one and it will appear on the second screen. Of course the VNC solution is not as usefull as the use of two real graphic cards, but it is quite handy for IRC, mplayer playing audio or using a shell session on that low power screen.

    http://www.geit.de/images/hm03102013/images/img_0020.jpg

    Geit

    [ Edited by geit 26.02.2014 - 20:46 ]
  • »26.02.14 - 19:45
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  • Order of the Butterfly
    Order of the Butterfly
    In_Correct
    Posts: 245 from 2012/10/14
    From: DFW, TX, USA
    Hello nice MorphOS thread. :)

    I think Screen Dragging is annoying and confusing. I support the developers decisions and instead of Screen Dragging, I much prefer a expansion of both high quality hardware and software.
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  • Paladin of the Pegasos
    Paladin of the Pegasos
    Jupp3
    Posts: 1193 from 2003/2/24
    From: Helsinki, Finland
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    vox wrote:
    I, for myself, have always regarded MOS as first fully PPC AmigaOS, made by Amiga users, for Amiga users.

    Now, its just "not some other OS". Shame.

    If there's any such spirit in "Amiga world", that obsolete features, that have lost their purpose and usefulness, and are MUCH harder and resource-intensive to implement in modern hardware should in any case be implemented "just because" (aka "no arguments for wasting time with it") - then we should definitely distance our community from them.

    -EDIT-

    (Classic Amigas didn't have them anyway but...) we STILL lack support for character graphics modes, how much MORE oldschool would that be? All speed gains are practically lost since decades ago, but perhaps we should have them anyway? :-P

    In any case, in my opinion it's better to concentrate on features that would be at least somehow USEFUL, instead of pointless hacks like this, that would likely complicate lots of things without ANY gain. Sure, it WAS ugly hack already on classic amigas, but then there was PURPOSE (f.ex. image editor showing image in the defined screenmode, and user being able to use color picker that uses completely different paletter, all on one screen with ugly black stripe in the middle) - that's something made obsolete already by 15/16bit screenmodes, and even more so 24bit. Honestly, I don't miss it. I didn't like it in 80's and 90's either, but back then there was no other way.

    But is there ANY point in screen dragging? Sure, running those old paint programs. And guess what? MorphOS already DOES support that. Just load UAE, that's where such hacks belong. Most of them would fail to work for other reasons anyway, if this hack was added to OS. Or better, use better graphics program that doesn't need such outdated features :-P
  • »26.02.14 - 21:21
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  • Paladin of the Pegasos
    Paladin of the Pegasos
    Jupp3
    Posts: 1193 from 2003/2/24
    From: Helsinki, Finland
    Quote:

    weiseb wrote:
    Ok, a warm and fuzzy feeling because is a unique Amiga feature.

    More specifically, it's Amiga hardware feature. Amiga hardware could do that, modern hardware cannot. When any Amiga was upgraded with a gfx card, this hack was no longer working - except with "native" screenmodes, of course. So this "not working on anything more modern" isn't actually a new issue at all.

    If anyone wanted to waste big developer effort, it could be emulated, but that's:
    1)Ugly
    2)Slow
    3)Useless / Pointless.

    Like I said, the REAL feature was "multiscreen", being able to display different resolutions & bit depths at the same time. Screen dragging was just some already then "useless extra". But as hardware could do that easily and fast, there was no real point againist NOT doing it. Unlike now.
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  • Yokemate of Keyboards
    Yokemate of Keyboards
    Andreas_Wolf
    Posts: 12163 from 2003/5/22
    From: Germany
    > as hardware could do that easily and fast, there was no real point againist NOT doing it.

    ;-)
  • »26.02.14 - 22:26
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  • MorphOS Developer
    jacadcaps
    Posts: 3108 from 2003/3/5
    From: Canada
    Quote:

    Georg wrote:
    Intuition requires a bit of input handling and you could do the screen compositing there or elsewhere.



    There's a subtle difference between knowing how to do something and wanting to do this. I see no place for this feature in MorphOS since it has no practical uses.
  • »27.02.14 - 06:34
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  • Butterfly
    Butterfly
    Condor
    Posts: 99 from 2005/9/1
    From: Zagreb/Croatia
    Please give us screen dragging, we all know that this is useless amiga feature, but we just wanna wait for useful MorphOs stuff.
    Also give us Guru Meditation and feature to boot from floppy because I have many A500 games which I wanna try on MorphOs.
    I know this is impossible to do, but that's also amiga feature so why not waste time and money on that.

    We just wanna waste resources and time on stupid stuff, just like some other Os do.


    Ps:
    I love MorphOs, not Amiga anymore. :)
  • »27.02.14 - 09:10
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  • MorphOS Developer
    itix
    Posts: 1520 from 2003/2/24
    From: Finland
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    geit wrote:
    You mostly never drag and drop something between applications, even if they are on the same screen. Even old AmigaOS 3 had no way to drag and drop between screens.

    Most applications used an AppIcon on Workbench to allow dropping files, but without screen drag involved.


    It wouldnt hurt to have drag'n drop between screens but screen dragging is not a prerequisite for drag'n drop between screens. It could be dragging icons from a monitor to another.
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  • Priest of the Order of the Butterfly
    Priest of the Order of the Butterfly
    analogkid
    Posts: 667 from 2004/11/3
    From: near myself
    I've never missed screen dragging on MorphOS. The few advantages it has could be achieved in different ways, like the screen preview in the screenbar or the feature of placing MUI windows on any pubscreen.
  • »27.02.14 - 10:08
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    vox
    Posts: 551 from 2003/11/24
    From: Belgrade
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    itix wrote:
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    geit wrote:
    You mostly never drag and drop something between applications, even if they are on the same screen. Even old AmigaOS 3 had no way to drag and drop between screens.

    Most applications used an AppIcon on Workbench to allow dropping files, but without screen drag involved.


    It wouldnt hurt to have drag'n drop between screens but screen dragging is not a prerequisite for drag'n drop between screens. It could be dragging icons from a monitor to another.


    True but this is NOT about drag and drop but having seperate screens for games, apps and working all inna harmony. If extended with multi screens (multiply monitors) szpport that is way ahead creppy bad concept force one resolution, if app opens another do slow resolution switch n redraw.

    If you could do drag and drop between screens that would be damn fine.

    Interest among users exists, so please add it to future to do, instead easy Steven Solie style rejection.
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  • »01.03.14 - 07:06
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    Kronos
    Posts: 2326 from 2003/2/24
    @vox

    You can have as many screens as you want.

    You can have as many monitors as supported by your HW/drivers.


    Still don't see a missing "feature"....
  • »01.03.14 - 07:40
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  • Butterfly
    Butterfly
    rebraist
    Posts: 96 from 2011/4/6
    From: Naples, Italy
    Draggable screens are something useful in the 80s, but even then I never used it, so I never missed that. In the 30 years that have passed, I used a lot of computers and operating systems and never needed screen dragging. Think that in Windows 8 where you have to close apps dragging the app down (it remembers me of screen dragging) instead of using a close button, I hate that feature...
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  • »01.03.14 - 07:55
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