@Acill

official snapshot from AmbientTeam (14.10.2005)
http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/morphosambient/ambient_142_20051014cvsr2.lha?download

my build with mimetypes support (21.12.05)
http://axon.umcs.lublin.pl/~zukowski/ambient.lha

Thanks, but what does yours do over the other?

@ dolem

If you are not too much out of cash just go for the Peg. As some
others just said, if you liked Amiga, you'll love MOS.
Beside the georgeous OS, it is the community which is overwhelming.

And regarding the so called "lack of development". There is no such
honestly. True, development could be faster, but well, resources are
limited somehow. We had three major developments last year. Ppl forget
too fast about that. First there was the update of the MOS mainarchive
to MOS 1.4.5 (in fact there were two releases last year). And the step
from 1.4.2/3 to 1.4.5 was quite big - not featurewise, but speed and
stability improvements and bugremovements were *big*. Then there has
been the 3d update. We have a good set of 3d drivers for not too
old ATI cards now (well, we not only have the 3d driver, but the
community gave us 3d applications, too). And then there was the big
surprise of MOS for the PowerUp cards. All in all 2005 was quite a
good year for MOS. Ppl are forgetting to fast and the prob is that MOS
1.5 became a bit of a "magic word".

MOS 1.4.5 is quite useable. The biggest lack of 1.4.5 is the lack of a
tcp/ip stack. *But* community gave the money so we have MosNet now, a
3rd party tcp/ip stack (still alpha, but it is quite sufficient
already).

MOS is still actively developed and we will see some future releases,
at least as long as no intergalactic monster comes around swallowing
down the whole MOS team in deep gulp.

After all it seems there is nothing preventing you from a convenient
computer experience than your own hesitation...

Cheers

/edit: some typos

[ Edited by Zylesea on 2006/1/9 0:12 ]

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Therefore according to your reasoning there's no advantage over MorphOS, because OS4 developers were not paid until now (they'll get the money after the "final" release AFAIK - this was told by OS4 developers themselves elsewhere). Some of them had to buy the A1s themselves, too. I guess only the Frieden brothers are paid, but they also did other work during the last 4+ years to get a living. I don't think MOS developers should be "envious", nor I think they should be less motivated.

@Acill
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Open Ambient site on SourceForge, go to the CVS and download the ambient.notes file. You'll get all the info you require and more (it's the simplest way to be up to date with Ambient development).
Anyway, since December there's filetype recognition, and some kind of deficons. You can associate actions to filetypes (double click, drag'n'drop, or add entries to the contex menu). I compiled Ambient recently and configured filetypes soo that double clicking on a .zip, .lha or .lzx file opens a requester asking where to unpack the file's contents. I can decompress also by drag'n'drop the icon over the destination window or icon, and with the right button I can list the archive contents. Videos are shown with mPlayer, audio is playied with ANR, I can open html files with AWeb (right button) and V (double click), and a few other things. The programmers are working on a GUI for the configuration of filetypes, right now you have to create and fiddle with some textfiles.

Additionally, there'a a much better lister mode (if the author of the compile adds alfie's patches, you have also the mini icons in lister mode with MUI4 alpha) and a lot more functionalities. It's shaping very nicely, but it's still work in progress (so use at your own risk).

Kind regards,
Andrea

Wow, i installed your Ambient and had no idea it does all that. I would like to learn more on how to get it all working. Aweb is my first choice in browsers now and has been for some time. ANR is my audio player as is mplayer my video player. Very cool stuff in there. Good work to all of you involved.

As for the MUI4 beta didnt it have some serious bugs? I installed it when it first came out an took it off the next day. I cant remember why, but it must have been something big to do so. If you could let me know what needs to get the new MUI as stable and at least as usefull as the current it would be a big help.

Been using the new filetype recognition of Ambient for a few days now.. I effin' love it :)

Finally I can download some archive or movie to ram: for a test purpose, and extract or play it from there in a matter of seconds. No more need to start Magellan, no need to start Mplayer, or extract using shell.

This feature was a long waited one... Ambient-team are doing tremendously good work. Thanks to all participants!

regardings mimetypes in Ambient, is there some special magic required?! I tried 3 different Versions now (this one mentioned here on that thread, a cvs compile from wikipeg, and a compileversion done by myself)
However, I can see anything where i can define mimeactions and the filetype tab in the infowin shows allways "This filetype is an internal definiton in Ambeint ...." the "Edit filetype actions" button below is ghosted.

I tried various things before i finally gave up. And yes in the meantime I temporarly upgraded mui too. But perhaps there are additonal things required?! (the docs mentions also a mimetype.amod, but i guess this is obsolete by now? this amod is not there, and the mentioned doc is somewhat dated too)

So if someone could enlighten me, I saw it working for gunne and as several people mentioned here it is working, it actually should work for me too?

create a dir in MOSSYS:Ambient called filetypes..

Save this as "AVI_Videostream"

AMTD
1
Name Audio Video Stream
Type video/avi
Match
Name #?.avi
OR
Name #?.mpg
OR
Name #?.mpeg
OR
Name #?.ogm
OR
Name #?.wmv
End
Action
Name Play with MPlayer
Event DoubleClick
Command AMIGADOS work:gfxtools/mplayer/mplayer %sp
End
Action
Name Play with MPlayer (no overlay)
Event Menu
Command WORKBENCH work:gfxtools/mplayer %sp CGX_MODE=VMEM
End
Action
Name Play with MPlayer (captions)
Event Menu
Command WORKBENCH work:gfxtools/mplayer %sp -vop expand=0:-100:0:50
End
Action
Name Test envvar
Event Menu
Command AMIGADOS echo $somename
End
Action
Name MD5
Event Menu
Command AMIGADOS ram:clip 0 `gg:bin/md5sum %sp`
End
End





and for "LZX_Archive"

AMTD
1
Name Archive
Type archive/lzx
Match
Name #?.lzx
End
Action
Event DragNDrop
Command AMIGADOS lzx x %sp
Flag cd destination
End
Action
Name Open
Event DoubleClick
Command INTERNAL loaduri vfs:///%sp?type=xad&mode=list NEWWIN
End
End




change them and make more to suit your needs.

Ahh thank you :)
This seems somewhat to work. (At least mplayer does something now when doubleklicking on avis ;) ) However, this nice actioneditor which is shown by Gunne Steen on an ambient thread on pegasos.org (to bad it isn`t in english...) doesn`t work then for now?!

I have installed the Mimetype version of Ambient, and i have crated in sys:mossys/ambient the filtypes dir.
Then i have made the AVI_Videostream file, but i only got a requester named "Ambient mimetypes" with: No hexview yet for
Media:movie1.avi
Have i missed something?

Hi,

No, the Action Editor is not 100% complete yet.

I put up an unofficial compile at pegasos.org here:

Link

There is some scripts included, which should work if editing paths in them. Read the text.

It is software under development, so dont expect things to work out of the box.

Gunne

Ill wait and see what the OSW will cost. Genesi blogged about it yesterday saying they ended 05 with their first order (I guess for assembling) of the cards.
The pegasos is a bit old by now for its prize.

And if I choose that option with morphOS I also prefers to pay a descent amount for upgrades keeping the development up, rather than having MOS free and not regularly updated.

BTW it would be interesting to hear whats happening with the Qbox.
Anybody who knows if the boxes can run simultaniusly? (if there were more than one)

Now it works it was wrong name for the Dir it should be named AVI_Video_Stream.
But how i get rid of the output in the console with MPlayer?

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use

run >nil: util:mplayer/mplayer %sp

instead of just util:mplayer/mplayer %sp


you can do this on pictures aswell so the window with
pictures isnt locked until you quit viewer..then drag'n drop works too

@ dolen

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You realise that the "Open Server Workstation" will be a dual CPU, dual core G5 (64-bit) system? I don't see how an Amiga-like OS would make sense on such a machine (if it will run at all).

The Pegasos have everything you would normally need, and can easily be upgraded with PCI-cards. And if you think the Pegasos is expensive, wait until you see the price tag of the OSW. I would expect an initial price that is at least double the ODW's.

It will be great for Linux though, and open solaris and others ...

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I think we should stop pretending that our little community is a *market* that will be able to sustainably carry the development of an OS. The money needs to come from the outside, and providing updates and tools for free to the developers in this community only increases the chance of that happening IMHO.

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Granny, I think development of MorphOS *OS* could be sustained by the community, that's done by a small core team, and now open source contributors in the case of Ambient (and MOSNet and KHTML browser if you count those). However we can't sustain the *hardware* development on our own.

Genesi needs the money and potential future rewards that come with all the non-MorphOS projects they are involved with. Like you, I don't think MorphOS is threatened by that. IMO MorphOS is not even threatened by OS4 on Pegasos unless Genesi rolls over for Amiga Inc./Hyperion stipulations that MorphOS support be dropped (IIRC Hype has talked about this in the past). The good thing for MorphOS about other Pegasos-based OSs is that it tends to ensure continuing availability of hardware.

I see your point T.M.H Gram´ma. There must be free oppurtunity to get into morphOS and development. Thats the strengh of AROS thats even more available for everyone.
But there could be some kind of shareware gold edition, membership or something. I don´t know. I hope genesi can make money from morphOS via the upcoming sub-laptop.
About the hardware. Was the quad g5 core the only option for OSW?
And also, was´nt there some talk about dual G4 up to 1.7 ghz?
Im shure 1 ghz is enough for MOS but it does not feel right to pay the money for the old pegII when new things are at the door.
I would also like a silent computer because I will use it in my music production. Not very fond of fan noise on my recordings. Anyone know whats happening with the passive cooling genesi talked about?
And why should not amigalike OS´s be able to run on quad G5? I red somewhere morphOS kernal is a bit similar to beos which was developed specificly for multi-cpu. Also amigaOS was created to work with more than one chip, and phase 5 made it run on two compleatly different CPU´s.
Maybe that´s why MOS 1.5 takes so long!

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membership... oh no no no, HELL NO! Le'ts not go on THAT road.. soon we're selling coupons and lotterytickets

This Ambient Version rocks the Lister are great, but i have no Icons, and the editable Mimetypes are so cool!!!
Yeah, thank you Ambient-Team!!!

I must add, the os does not talk to the hardware on the pegasos. It talks to the PegasosHAL which is the same on OSW so everything that runs on current pegs will run. At least thats how I understand it.

@ Dolen

The PegII will get cpu cards with *one* G4 7448 @ 1.4 and 1.7 Ghz soon.
The ABox is not able to use multiple cores. The QBox is vapour currently. Quark is prepared to use multiple cpus, but it has no practical benefit for the ABox.

The OSW is targeting the *server* market, it's technical advancements, while high, will not give too much benefit to MOS (if it runs on these maschines at all).

The PegII is still the ideal maschine for MOS. At Vesalia you get complete PegII systems for less than 700 EUR. A quite fair price IMO.

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Yes and no. You still need device drivers.

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To have the miniatures in lister mode you need:
- MUI4 alpha installed
- an Ambient version compiled including alfie's patches in the source code: https://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?thread_id=9350176&forum_id=44066 . Such patch has not been committed to the CVS since it's a problem that won't affect the final MUI4 release.

- edit: I'm wrong... the workaround is now part of Ambient CVS (and will be cancelled when MUI4 gets released), so you simply need an Ambient newer than 07 Jan, and public MUI4 alpha.

Kind regards,
Andrea

[ Edited by guruman on 2006/1/10 15:47 ]

I have MUI4 installed and i use the Ambient from Gunne!

Hey Robin maybe you could make again one compile for me and others with bigger icons and no debug stuf in the Menus please.

Hi ThePlayer,

I made two new different compilations, with different flags turned on/of. The same link as above.

Gunne