Quote:
Well, I was happy with G3, G4, G5, the problem with PPC is you can't be more happy than with G5 ;).

> Power architecture continues only in mainframes and big servers.

Power Architecture hasn't been used in mainframes, and I'm not aware of plans it will be.

Quote:

Depends on the defintion. By IBM they are only mainframe inspired servers, but that's quite a long road for home computing anyway ;).

https://www.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/zosbasics/com.ibm.zos.zmainframe/zconc_whatismainframe.htm

Quote:

MorphOS is so good that you can use it as primary system. But for most ppl (me included) the webbrowser is the most important thing and while Odyssey is powerful and has some advantages, browsing with MorphOS is not only peasant.
It#s comparatively slow (lack of JS.JIT _and_ raw cpu power) and compability gets worse.
Raw cpu power would help to milden up some issues. The network interface is comparatiively slow, too (but rumous have it this may change with some future release that may come with a new tcp/ip stack).
Another t hing is video and gfx. The fast G4s have their issues to replay 720p video, they fail on 1080. While I don't alwys need hd resolution, you just come along these videos today and here MorphOS could really benefit from some addional cpu power. A g5 does help a bit, but not entirely and teh G5s are monsters (leaky, bulky, energy hungry).
Or even simple things like jpg decoding, todays high relolutions require a bit cpu time. My usual camera is set to very modest 8 MP, but still decodiung a picture takes bewteen 0.5 and 1 s. Not much for a single photo, but this could be quicker...
And the RAM limitation breaks in additionally. With teh 1 GB of the mac mini I run out of RAM quite often, with the 1.5 GB I have in my Powerbok this is a smaller issue, but still. With the max 1.8 GB this is okay, but not totally convenient.
All in all it's okay and I still use MorphOS as primary system, but the hardware doesn't get more comparative. It shows its age.

Having said that I want to emphasize that I still see MorphOS as a very good OS that can qualify as primary OS (at least for me it does).

>> Power Architecture hasn't been used in mainframes, and I'm not aware of plans it will be.

> Depends on the defintion. By IBM they are only mainframe inspired servers
> https://www.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/zosbasics/com.ibm.zos.zmainframe/zconc_whatismainframe.htm

Yes, mainframes are special types of high-end servers, but they don't call any of their Power-based servers a mainframe.

> The fast G4s have their issues to replay 720p video [...]. A g5 does help a bit,
> but not entirely

When I switched from G4 to G5 some months back, I was really positively surprised by the H264 720p replay capability of the G5 compared to the G4. It's above what I had assumed based on the increased CPU clock and performance per clock. It's probably the way faster bus doing its share also.

> teh G5s are monsters (leaky, bulky, energy hungry).

No liquid cooling, no leaks :-)

Quote:

That is really good to hear.
Quote:

Yes, the aircooled G5s are what I could take into account personally. And while I know you're more a man of plain facts, than exaggeratios, I guess you understood what I wanted to express.

It's undoubtly good to have support for the G5s. But G5s don't have only advantages, but also disadvantages.

>>> teh G5s are monsters (leaky, bulky, energy hungry).

>> No liquid cooling, no leaks :-)

> Yes, the aircooled G5s are what I could take into account personally. [...]
> I guess you understood what I wanted to express.

Yes, and I have no problem to admit that my air-cooled G5 is a bulky, energy hungry monster :-)

Quote:

When did you buy that Andreas?
I thought you were still using a Mac Mini.

I, myself, broke down most of my G5 equipment and rarely use the two I have left.

They make good space heaters.
Energy draw is one of the reasons I want to switch to an X5000.

> When did you buy that Andreas?

Shortly before I benchmarked it against pampers' X5000 here on MorphZone.

> I thought you were still using a Mac Mini.

http://morph.zone/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?forum=38&topic_id=11825

Current MOS should be compared with classic.
It is very good way to use old 68k software.
Amiga NG is something which gunnar von boehn and other scumbags from natami/apollo/vampire team
promise but never deliver.
Binary compatible with old 68k software soulution, with one hundert time faster cpu than fastest 68k,
and thousands times faster graphis.
There is really no reason to waste time and money on commodore machines made after amiga 500.
Buy amiga 500 with gotek for old games, and amiga ng for productivity software and You will be happy.



[ Edited by ppcamiga1 02.04.2017 - 07:03 ]

> Current MOS [...] is very good way to use old 68k software. [...]
> Binary compatible with old 68k software soulution [...].

...except for m68k software depending on Amiga chipset.

> There is really no reason to waste time and money on commodore machines
> made after amiga 500.

There is Vampire for A500 :-)

Amiga productivity software which not works on graphics card is not worth of use.
Fortunately, it's just a few percent of amiga productivity software.
Vampire in current form is overpriced underpowerd crap, not worth money which they ask.

@ Andreas

Cool. Nice to see a comparison.

[ Edited by Jim 02.04.2017 - 08:50 ]

Quote:

Honestly, you get on these rants and just piss everyone off (and frankly, I always find reading your posts painful).

The worst thing I'd ever accuse Gunnar of being is eccentric.

Its not an us or them matter here.
Some of us still retain legacy hardware for its nostalgic value.
Does that make all of it "underpowered crap"?

We get the same argument about being "underpowered" from the X64 supporters.

Quote:

I could with an X5000. Powerful, with low power draw.
My G5 hardware makes for a pretty good space heater.

I can only chip in why I do not use MorphOS much, and it has really been the same issue all the time.

* license model - to tie the license to hardware it just not something I accept, I have several systems that potentially could be running MorphOS, and I want to decide myself which one I want to use for whatever OS, MorphOS included.
* MorphOS does not run on emulator, so I cannot easily bring it with me. In contrast, I can now easily run OS4.1FE (that I did buy) on whatever hardware I see fit.

Quote:

And yet, for the most part, Windows licenses are tied to hardware.
You can upgrade that hardware, but you're not supposed to install it on completely new systems once installed elsewhere.

I paid for my MorphOS license.
I haven't tried OS4, as I don't want to spend the money for compatible equipment right now.

That would be my main point of comparison.
MorphOS, more expensive license, but much cheaper hardware.
OS4, comes with the hardware (or separately at a lower price than MorphOS), but on much more expensive hardware.

Maybe when I feel comfortable with the expenditure (and MorphOS for the X5000 is introduced), I'll try OS4.
But primarily, because it will essentially be free.

[ Edited by Jim 02.04.2017 - 14:42 ]

OS4.1FE Classic makes an exception, because it can be run in the emulation, but if you run them on the hardware they are designed, they are also quite tied to hardware in practise. AmigaONE X1000, older AmigaONEs, Classic PPC, Pegasos 2, Sam440, and Sam460 all need a different version of the OS4. If you have bought one version, it doesn't work on different type of machine, and if you have several types of machines, you need to buy several copies of the OS.

Quote:

Allowing OS4.1FE to run under emulation without fighting the community, and lowering the price to purchase OS4.1FE, are the only two GOOD decisions that Hyperion have made within the last 10 years. Those decisions may have saved Hyperion from themselves, and their utter lack of funding and ability to complete OS4.2.

Those decisions may have prevented MorphOS from gaining additional users away from the shrinking group of OS4.x users, but of course, I have no evidence to support my suppositions and assumptions, only the feeling I get from reading about trends on Amiga and MorphOS forums.

AmigaOS4.1FE license model works because the hardware is fairly expensive, to very expensive, and the license fee is paid by the distributor or manufacturer of the hardware prior to it being sold to the users, which makes pirating a moot point. MorphOS on the other hand, runs on very cheap (sometimes free) hardware, that is widely available, so some kind of anti-pirating mechanism was needed, and tying each license to the hardware was probably the easiest, and most secure type of anti-pirating method they could come up with.
Edit: Sorry to point out the obvious, it may only be obvious to some users.


[ Edited by amigadave 02.04.2017 - 12:21 ]

>>> When did you buy that Andreas?

>> Shortly before I benchmarked it against pampers' X5000 here on MorphZone.

> Cool. Nice to see a comparison.

Yes, nice enough that you felt "comfortable enough with the benches to have decided to replace [your] G5s with a P5040 based X5000" :-)

http://morph.zone/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?forum=11&topic_id=11137&start=604

Quote:

You don't actually expect my faltering memory to work any better than it has over then last eight years, do you?

Besides, I missed that you'd replaced the Mac mini with the G5, after all, you pop up with different benchmarks all the time.

Funny, I moved back to a G4 for most of my use.

But I remember I was encouraged by the benches (and actually interpreted them correctly).

> I missed that you'd replaced the Mac mini with the G5, after all, you pop up with different
> benchmarks all the time.

I thought I made clear that it was my very own G5 machine that I ran the benchmarks on. I never report others' benchmark results without also giving the source.

Quote:

Like I said, I own a G5 as well (two if you count my Quad core), but I primarily use a G4 now.
I just assumed, like everyone else, you'd added to a "collection" of systems.

I kind of like the Mac Mini. Not enough vram, but a nice compact form factor. And fairly powerful.

> I just assumed, like everyone else, you'd added to a "collection" of systems.

Seems then that I misinterpreted your question ("When did you buy that Andreas?").
I'm not a collector type. I sold my Pegasos right after MorphOS was released for the Mac mini, and I gave away my Mac mini right after it broke and the G5 was delivered, and I won't keep the G5 should I switch to another hardware for MorphOS. And there are certainly other non-collectors beside me :-)

Quote:

Understandable, pity the Mini bit the dust.
I wouldn't count what I do collecting.
Usually I sell off whatever I'm not using.
I just have a lot of spares hanging around.

I might have kept the Peg though.