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Unless your Dad started using Linux from the first day it was created and released, I would be surprised if he (not being an IT type person) was able to install and set it up himself, without any help. I guess most people could use Linux as their primary OS, if it were pre-installed on a system for them, and they did not try to make many changes themselves, but I have found Linux to be very difficult to understand at times, and easy to screw up, when you don't know what you are doing.

My Mom is 88 and did not touch a computer until her early 70's, which is why my siblings and myself, decided to get her a Mac system, as they are generally easier for the average person to use, with no prior knowledge of how computers work. My parents are no longer together, and I started my Dad off with a spare A500 about 15 to 20 years ago, to do simple word processing. Then he bought an A3000 with a network card, as his first internet capable computer to do some web browsing and emails to the rest of the family, but that was short lived, because he wanted to run some newer software, so he then moved to a cheap Windows system. Now, he also has move again to a Mac system, but is due for an upgrade to something more up to date than his G5 20" iMac, as the LCD has died, and he has been using it with another external LCD connected. I believe he is considering, or has already purchased a new, or newer used, Intel MacMini. I would have to say that MacOSX is probably the easiest OS for non-computer minded people, who just want an internet appliance and a system to do word processing and print out letters and pictures. That, or an Android or iOS ARM powered tablet (but I strongly dislike all tablets).

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Linux is simple to install compared to Windows Dave, even Windows 10.

Download any of the top 10 distros from distrowatch, download the windows 10 iso from microsoft.com and put a blank hard drive in a PC.

Install windows first, then install Linux after.

Report back on which one was easiest, which was quickest and which one you needed to go to several websites to download drivers just so your hardware functions correctly. :)

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We're not talking about installing it and configuring it. We're talking about ease of use. My Dad is doing great with it. No need to keep putting caveats.. "oh well, what if it didnt have a network card and he had to find one".. "oh, what if..".. ease of use. Give my Dad a copy of MorphOS and have him use it, he'd be lost. Same with a Mac. Its not about installing it yourself, just ease of use. Some people try to go beyond their capabilities, get lost, screw something up and give up. After that they blame it on the big bad OS and its high IQ requirements. Its ok for some people to have a easy to use baby interface, no need to be a power user.

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The nice thing of Linux is that it can be nice, easy and pretty mighty. But it also can be a real nasty system. There's hardly "a Linux", there are plenty distros/versions/configurations that work better or worse.
But i guess we all agree (except one certain poster) that Linux is one thing and MorphOS another. Where would the fun or sense if MorphOS became YALD?

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Have you actually tested this yourself? Windows 10 downloads optional drivers for a vast pool of hardware components fully automatically.

I upgraded an 11 years old Vista laptop earlier this year and every single component was detected and had the appropriate driver installed. The OS also found a printer connected to the same network and downloaded the correct driver for it as well.

Mind you, I also ran into odd issues such as Windows 10 64bit not supporting hardware that happily runs the 64bit edition of Windows 7 due to an obscure CPU feature that is missing from a number of Intel´s older generation low-voltage mobile CPUs. But still, I would not argue that any niche operating system could possibly provide better hardware compatibility overall.

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I agree. Any OS can be as easy or as difficult as you make it. Any OS with access to a CLI can be intimidating to an uninformed user.

I'm glad MorphOS isnt YALD. Hopefully it doesnt go in that direction.

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Yep.

ASUS T100TAM. 32bit Windows 10. Need to download drivers for everything or it doesn't work properly.

Not so with Linux. I don't use Windows so it's not an issue for me but I kept it on there as a dual boot option just in case I ever need it in future.

A Morphos dev has Said me that he allready tested the Deadwood patch wich works well. He said me that it will probably added in the next realease of Morphos. I don't know if endianess JavaScript problem is solved. But for sure memory leaks are solved for now. The leaks are allways here but they are ridiculous now. He said me that fab is back on his spare time despite he don't have many time to work for odyssey and Morphos now.

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Can you name the morphos dev who allegedly said that?

>> The nice thing of Linux is that it can be nice, easy and pretty mighty.
>> But it also can be a real nasty system. There's hardly "a Linux", there
>> are plenty distros/versions/configurations that work better or worse.

> I agree. Any OS can be as easy or as difficult as you make it.

Doesn't really sound like agreement to me. What Zylesea wrote is specific for GNU/Linux, not "any OS".

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Oh, sorry, looks like I need to be very specific ........................

I agreed with:
>> The nice thing of Linux is that it can be nice, easy and pretty mighty.
>> But it also can be a real nasty system.

And I added "Any OS can be as easy or as difficult as you make it."

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Its a secret. If he told you, it wouldnt be a secret anymore.

Yes of course.

In fact by uploading the patch I didn't intend to get the bounty but I just wanted to provide the result of my work on the "Leopard WebKit" project to anyone else who could make use of it.

That said the uploaded patch was against an older release branch (601) of the WebKit sources. Since then I've almost finished the work on the current release branch (602); I could already provide the needed patches for making JavaScriptCore (602) work on 32 bit big endian CPUs.

Tobias

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I'm quite surprised that Wolfie didn't come up with that link yet ;)

http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?mode=viewtopic&topic_id=41290&forum=2&start=80&viewmode=flat&order=0#786502

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That is a great offer, thanks for all of your work, even though we are not yet able to take advantage of your contribution, I have no doubt that it will be used in a future version, and we will eventually have a better working version of Odyssey, due to your efforts, in combination with the efforts of Fab, and/or Deadwood.

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I have not installed Windows10 from DVD, or an .iso image, but I have upgraded my laptop from Windows8.1, and my desktop from Windows7 Professional, to Windows10, and I had zero driver problems, and no user interaction (well maybe it was almost zero user interaction) was needed to complete the free upgrade process.

The only work on my part that I remember, was changing the settings to turn off Cortana, and all of the reporting of my information to Microsoft, which was a small PITA, and I probably need to recheck those settings again, to make sure they remained turned off, as Microsoft (as well as other companies) have sneaky ways of turning things back on, that users don't want turned on.

I much prefer Windows10, compared to Windows8.1, and don't mind any differences between 10 and Windows7.

I would have to disagree that Linux is simple to install, but have to admit that I have not installed any of the most recent versions of Linux, so my experience is limited, and your assertion may be correct now, at least more correct than it was the last time I tried to install Linux.

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You're comparing Apples to Oranges there though, upgrade vs fresh install. Upgrading a Linux distribution from one version to the next is as easy as going from one version of Windows to the next. Probably easier tbh.

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That really is a kind and much to be appreciated offer (I hope sometime in the near future) when we all get a real chance to try it out.


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> I've almost finished the work on the current release branch (602); I could already provide
> the needed patches for making JavaScriptCore (602) work on 32 bit big endian CPUs.

Splendid :-)

At least things are moving in the right direction...

Many thanks to internetzel for his efforts! Glad to hear that it on Fabs track to incorporate this fix and supposedly it won't be too hard to use the recent r601 source.

On the Linux side of my Macs Firefox works of course, but OWB is much faster!