> When I first heard about MorphOS I just thought why.

When was this? People who heard the first time about MorphOS after OS4 was announced or even released might have thought that, unaware of the fact that MorphOS development start (and release of the first public version) happened long before OS4 was announced.

> if anything AmigaOS has suffered because of the MorphOS and
> perhaps somewhat from AROS coming in to being

I believe that without MorphOS there wouldn't be OS4.

> 5795704853_b722d5d487_b.jpg

Nice diagram. Only the MorphOS release date is a small bit off.

> license of AmigaOS4 explicitly forbid running AmigaOS4 on anything
> else but AmigaOne branded systems (or classics with PPC)? Those
> terms coming from the then-rightsholders of "The Name"

I don't think that's true. The Micro-A1 was never an "AmigaOne" branded system yet OS4 has run officially on it.

> FAB [...] helped fix or write a version of OWB for them, so they would have
> a decent web browser to come here and try to spout their fantasies about
> how great their HyperionOS is.

I doubt that any of them used this still unreleased OS4 version of MUI-OWB to write here in this thread.

>Maybe I have a language problem here but to me "take him at his word" means the opposite to "differ to his word".

Yes, this is only a qualified statement rather then an absolute.

>> You've finally managed to disappoint me Andreas.

>I've done so several times before and you let me know each time. Not that I care much, though.

I wouldn't say several, but in this case I think you've let Haynie off way too easy.
"Not that I care much, though."
Ouch.

>> to me "take him at his word" means the opposite to "differ to his word".

> this is only a qualified statement rather then an absolute.

Yet it addresses the point of this thread, which was my point.

> I wouldn't say several

I think there were at least two incidents before where you expressed your disappointment with something I had said.

> Ouch.

You should know by now that I won't change my view of things just because it causes disappointment in someone else. Generally speaking, what it takes to make me reconsider my stance is hard facts or real arguments.

Andreas_Wolf,

Dave said,
Quote:

That quote from Dave was hardly unequivocal. I would describe it as conditional and unconvincing. If he was truly contrite it would include the words "I'm sorry..." or "I regret...".

Ralph clearly said that the AmigaOS API was well known and that is what was used to develop MorphOS. The only reason to bring up clean room design in the middle of this half-apology is to express scepticism.

If Harry or Ralph believe that this was sufficient apology then they should post here to accept and we can finish the thread.

@koan,

I agree that Dave's message was not an apology, but I also believe that he will never offer such apology, in public or private. He obviously has some kind of personal issue against MorphOS, or some of the MorphOS Dev. Team members.

He has lost what little respect I ever had for him (not that he will lose any sleep over that fact).

@amigadave

I think it's a case of sour grapes. BPlan+MorphOS succeeded where Pios+pOS failed.

"Amiga-like" computing is now a hobbyist's market.

OS4 runs on SAM: expensive and underpowered, or X1000 that is planned to have a CPU that is already beyond EOL: what madness is this?

MorphOS runs on cheap, reasonably powerful Apple hardware that will continue to be around for at least a few years. Like it or not MorphOS is at least on a technological par with OS4, if not better.

Only irrational minds would choose OS4 without any consideration to MorphOS.

Koan, Amigadave thanks.
Whether or not Andreas was satisfied, Dave's statement was trite at best.
Harry's never likely to receive his apology, but Dave could have admitted he was wrong rather than just take "Ralph's word".
And the persistent mention of clean room reverse engineering means we probably haven't heard the end of this.

> Ralph clearly said that the AmigaOS API was well known and that is
> what was used to develop MorphOS.

Yes, and Dave Haynie says he finally believes his word, after a decade of not believing it for whatever reason.

I think that DH will probably let this die down for another 5-10 years before he implies the same allegations again. He knows that to pursue it any further now, without any proof, would only hurt his own reputation further.

He has done what ever damage he intended to do and has no need to clear it up, or discuss it any further.

[ Edited by amigadave 14.06.2011 - 20:30 ]

Except Ralph worked for Phase5 and Dave hasn't recanted the "What Andy saw" story, so he can still argue that Ralph may have had prior access to AOS code and therefore MorphOs does not meet a "clean room" development spec.

[ Edited by Jim 15.06.2011 - 04:31 ]

koan,
Quote:

Only irrational minds would choose any Amiga-like OS currently

@Thread

Thread seems to have gone a bit downhill imho in terms of referring to OS4 users disrespectfully.

As with MorphOS users (and AROS users, and any other group) it's not constructive or valid to make such generalisations. IMO some of the attitudes expressed in this thread give validity* to anyone who wishes to generalise about MorphOS users as name-calling trolls.

Hey, wake up! They're not all name-following fanboys. Just like we are not all pirating name-calling trolls out to destroy Hyperion just for having the temerity to exist and get the rights** AmigaOS name/sources.

(* As much validity as the generalisations expressed in this thread)
(** Whatever your views on the validity, they do have the de facto rights).

PS - The only Amiga-like OS I run is MorphOS, so go figure..

Quote:
Really? I mean: Reeeeally? No E-UAE/WinUAE on your Mac or Win machines running OS1.x-3.x every now and then?

@ cha05e90,

>No E-UAE/WinUAE on your Mac or Win machines running OS1.x-3.x every now and then?

No! I have three windows based computers I haven't even fired up in a couple weeks.

>The only Amiga-like OS I run is MorphOS

Seconded

Quote:

I dont run UAE on my machines either. For gaming the real Amiga 500 is the best machine.

Quote:

sofa, cold beer*, 42" tv, ps3, amiga-emu = winning compo


(*)can be replaced with a prefered bewerage

@itix
Hmm - I'll prefer my A2000 for classic gaming...

@cha05e90

It is too big, too rare, too weird...

@hooligan

Beer and classic games... nothing beats it :)

cha05e90,
Quote:

(In the immortal words of "The Dangerous Brothers" "Rea-he-he-he-HEALLY?")

Yup. I have WinUEA installed on the laptop, but haven't used it since about 4 years ago (when I had regular commuting journeys which benefitted from the use of a laptop). Sold my two AT A4000Ts last year, which constituted the last of my 'classic' Amiga collection. Don't have an OS4.x capable machine...

Current setup:
XP laptop for surfing (soon to be replaced with (insert flavour) linux)
MorphOS Mac-mini as video-output device (and currently audio output, but the groundplane interference from both USB and network are driving me schitz)

Soon: Efika + Terratec Studio22 as audio output device, via Linux + MPD, through my Rogers A100 amp outputting via MS3.10 bass/treble speakers, a pair of deep-bass speakers (8" cones in 34" cabinets) and an active subwoofer (via the tape-out of the amp)...

Sure would be nice to have MPD for MorphOS, but as we haven't implemented even 5.1 sound in a practically useful way yet (yes, AHI can handle multiple (>2) channels, but the API is "confusing" and no media player currently takes advantage of it..) it wouldn't be a practical use of resources imho.

> The Gateway version of Amiga, Inc. ran from 1997 until sometime in 1999.
> Bill and fleecy founded their version of Amiga, Inc. that same year

What I find interesting and haven't heard or read before is that in late 1999 Petro Tyschtschenko (head of Gateway subsidiary Amiga International) and Gateway had finalized a contract to transfer all Amiga assets (sans the patents I suppose) for the spectacular sum of $1. But before the appending of the signatures could happen, Amino turned up with 3 million USD and--not to anyone's surprise--was awarded the contract. Who knows what would have happened if Amiga had ended up in Tyschtschenko's hands instead of McEwen's, who Tyschtschenko then worked for for 15 months ;-)

Sources: recent interviews with Petro Tyschtschenko (German; 1st interview MP3, 1st interview Ogg Vorbis, 2nd interview)

Also there in more brief version:
"Gateway asked me to find a new investor for Amiga. I suggested myself and Gateway agreed and some contracts were already drafted, but my investment was not that high and then Bill McEven showed up and made the deal."
http://www.mos6502.com/friday-commodore/commodore-legends-petro-tyschtschenko/

Trivia:
Since at least April 2008, Petro Tyschtschenko has been the head of THTF Europe GmbH (founded in early 2007), which is the German subsidiary of the Chinese Tsinghua Tongfang (THTF) company, which in turn happens to be a company Genesi had once worked with on new PPC hardware as well as the likeliest developer and manufacturer of Hyperion's announced OS4 netbook. It's really a small world ;-)

http://www.thtf.com.hk/Contact.aspx
http://web.archive.org/web/20080924081446/http://www.thtf.com.hk/Contact.aspx
http://www.5dmail.net/bbs/thread-175193-1-1.html
http://www.google.com/search?q=tyschtschenko+%22tsinghua+tongfang%22+OR+thtf
http://www.google.com/search?q=%22thtf+europe%22+2007


Edit1: added link to another interview

Edit2:

It seems there were two THTF Europe GmbH companies: THTF Europe GmbH Roedermark (HRB 42759) existing from early 2007 to early/mid 2010, and THTF Europe GmbH Muenster (HRB 88907), existing from early/mid 2010 to 6 months ago (March 2012) when it was liquidated.

Edit3: Quote from another interview added.

[ Edited by Andreas_Wolf 10.05.2013 - 03:37 ]

Any and all respect I had in DH just went out the window. What an ahole.

>> AT in 1995 announced a Power Amiga for 1997

> Petro said all kinds of things that weren't true. They were talking PowerPC then,
> but doing absolutely nothing about it.

Btw, I just stumbled upon a recent audio interview (German) with Petro where he claims that AT's announcement of switching the Amiga to PowerPC predates Apple's PowerPC plans. This is actually funny on more than one level, as Apple was not only considering the switch before AT, but had already been selling PowerPC Macs for 1 year and 8 months before AT made the announcement in November 1995.

Perhaps more importantly, Apple had officially joined the AIM alliance in 1991. They were not simply using PowerPC chips but were a key member of the industry alliance that defined new PowerPC computing standards.