> Ambient or MUI or whatever it is called

MorphOS has both, and they are separate entities. MUI is the GUI toolkit, and Ambient is the desktop environment application that makes use of MUI.

> annoying is that I cannot arrange the icons how I want.

This should be possible by snapshotting. Have a look in the icon settings in the Ambient prefs for automatic snapshotting.

> Why must applications "meditate"? For AmigaOS legacy support tied to MorphOS?

Yes, the AmigaOS compatibility in MorphOS entails that there's no memory protection with resource tracking implemented in MorphOS' ABox. So while other modern desktop operating systems can completely remove a crashed program and its allocated resources from memory, MorphOS' ABox can only visually hide it from the user but cannot free the resources allocated by that program.

> This cannot be accomplished with emulator?!

You can run m68k programs in UAE, of course. So if they crash, you just quit UAE and all allocated resources are freed again. Then you simply restart UAE. But this way you'd miss the advantages that come with running the program directly in MorphOS' ABox.
For ABox-native programs, an emulator wouldn't make sense, obviously. MorphOS would need an approach where new programs run in an AmigaOS-incompatible environment and the ABox runs on top of or parallel to this environment.

> I see MorphOS contains many emulators, MAME, DOS BOX, and several others.

They are available for MorphOS by 3rd parties, but MorphOS doesn't contain them, not even as contributions.

> I do not know why Emulator cannot handle AmigaOS software?

E-UAE can handle m68k AmigaOS software, that's what it's there for after all.

> Kindly do not support the Wintel MacBook. [...] instead of Wintel, perhaps
> support AMD hardware? [...] the issue with [...] Any x86 by Wintel or AMD

https://morph.zone/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?topic_id=9433&forum=3&start=6

With MacOSX, isn't it rather "Mactel"? And if it's "Wintel" for you, then why isn't it "WAMD" by the same logic?

> how would it seperate itself from being YALD ?

For instance by using Quark instead of Linux as the kernel, I guess :-)

@In_Correct

I think the only real edge MorphOS has (besides being so Amigalike we old nerds enjoy so much) is that it's lightweight. Linux is huge nowadays so I don't feel much difference in speed compared to Windows and MacOS. It's a little faster, but not nearly as fast and responsive as MorphOS. This is probably of some real interest to some people (not former Amiga users included) and might attract new users after the ISA shift. Only time will tell though, but I prefer to be an optimist here

All kernel supported features would be nice to see used in MOS.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quark_%28kernel%29


(just wonder if ABox disappears when MOS goes x64...
or perhaps Abox2 appears with JIT enabled (?janus?)UAE + PPC MOS sw just gets ported to new x64 MOS4 API ...)


Noticed the old "summary":
https://morph.zone/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?forum=3&topic_id=6248&post_id=62220&viewmode=flat&sortorder=1&showonepost=1

Anyway. Interesting to see what comes in the future.
I hope there is some point where ABox1 is considered "done" and NG starts.


UPDATE:
My true wish: more co-operation.
(Perhaps initially the fusion of AROS and MOS efforts on SMP capable 64bit AmigaNGx64... And I would not mind if the community finds a sane way to continue with 64bit PPC as well.)

[ Edited by KimmoK 17.03.2014 - 09:24 ]

A giant Wish if for MorphOS, AROS, and Genesi to work together and produce ARM devices for MorphOS and AROS. MorphOS would be target the high end computing and perhaps the most unique laptop ever built. While AROS would be target mobile devices and to dominate and destroy Android.

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More like a giant fantasy.

> if for MorphOS, AROS, and Genesi to work together and produce ARM devices
> for MorphOS and AROS. MorphOS would be target the high end computing

For this, Genesi would have to start producing high-end computing devices first. They are at 1.0 GHz Cortex-A9 currently.

> While AROS would be target mobile devices

Why not AROS for high-end computing and MorphOS for mobile devices?

I hope MorphOS team stays out of the ARM hype, at least untill ARM is more usefull for desktop than PPC is.

(btw. x64 is closer to cell phone than ARM is close to desktop. So I see no point in ARM at all, actually.)

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You can't deny that there are tons of new ARM devices on the market already, and tons more coming in the near future. I agree that ARM can't compete with x64 on the desktop, but many MorphOS users have pointed out that we have almost zero MorphOS applications that demand state of the art desktop computing power at this point in time. Hopefully that will change in the future, but with the extreme limitations (missing programming tools that are available on other OSes) and lack of large numbers of MorphOS developers, it is also unlikely that we will see very many future applications that require more processing power than is currently available with the top of the line ARM processors.

Given the compact size and great efficiency of MorphOS3.x, I have no doubt that "IF" MorphOS is ever ported to the ARM architecture, it will run sufficiently fast for most of our computing needs.

I don't see any huge urgency to switch to ARM or any other architecture, and as I have stated many times before, my wish is for the MorphOS Dev. Team to join with the several talented AROS developers "IF/WHEN" they ever decide to switch to any different architecture. I don't care what they call the joint effort, but would really like for the two teams to join forces, so that each will benefit from the extra available programming skills and available working hours of a larger combined team. I also don't care if this fantasy combined effort is Open Source, or keeps the kind of "free demo and pay once upgrade forever", license structure that MorphOS currently uses.

I've some more "down-to-earth" wishes:

Powerbook - don't know if had been written before: Wish a choosable action if battery is going low! (e.g. allert message at 10%, Shutdown at 3% or something like this....). This would be very helpfull during working on screens, witch does'nt show battery-gauge (like Finalwriter and others)

Old wish: enable change name of icons in information-window (like AOS 3.5...).
Since MOS 3.4 calling the info-window of icons should set default-icon as active (mean: should produce a xy.info - file). In my case it does'nt work - or are there some special commands to set?

More USB-driver (TV-sticks, USB-Graphiccards, a.s.o.). Probably not a thing of MOS itself - maybe more 3rd party......

YAW (Yet Another Wish):

Some sort of bar (optional of course) where you can see all your opened windows in ambient and whatnot, and be able to click on them to reach them. This is one of the few things I like about Windows.

Try:
Right on window's depth gadget.
Prefs -> Ambient -> Panels -> Viewwatcher.

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I had something like that many years ago, CxBar2 (aka WonderBar):
CxBar2_w.jpg
CxBar2_s.jpg
CxBar2_c2.jpg
CxBar2_c.jpg

Nice program!
But on my G5 has severe crashes even trying to read the Amigaguide docs.

That looks useful (if it works). Where can I find it?

I don't know, was it mentioned or not...
To automate the .info file creation based on the file type.

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It was an old (from 2002!) program from me, but I doesn't work under MorphOS.
Even its AmigaGuide file isn't "working" under MorphOS;)

@Igracki:
I know that it's old (on Aminet there is the 1997 version!) but I made the program to run nevertheless =)
Well... half window is displayed and some things don't work so it is not really usable and finally it crashes too often :)
But the idea it's always very interesting...

MorphOS needs some improvements in it's look. Dynamic behaviour of elements and more animated actions. It looks too static and too much like an old 90's operating system. Some kind of window manager is a must too, maybe in some way built into the Panel.

I do not agree in all of those points - I don't like these resource eating kliki-bunti OS! I need a OS and desktop to work!
And I also don't need an additional window-manager.....particulary because we have screens..... no need for so many windows on Ambient-screen. If anyone likes that: there is Windows or Linux or something else.......
Just my 2 cents....

I agree with a better window manager but never would I want a bloatware animations and other special effects. I also don't want any visual improvements on "Loading, Please Wait." Philosophy that other operating systems have.

I don't care if it doesn't slow MorphOS. I still do not have time for fancy frills.

I have high contrast skin with Windows. I have all the visual effects turned off with Windows. Mac OS X is much worse ... Scale Effect, Genie Effect, colorful spinning Marble Of Doom, and that is with Tiger. They probably added more animated silliness with subsequent releases. And there is no way to turn them off in Mac OS X.

If these features to MorphOS is added, make it possible to turn them off. (Or even better, keep them turned off by default.) Or even best? Don't add them!


[ Edited by In_Correct 23.03.2014 - 03:39 ]

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The guide works in MorphOS 3.6 There was an uninitialized field that caused {lindent} command to fail. I fixed it just few mins ago



[ Edited by itix 23.03.2014 - 12:06 ]

This wishlist is nice but is it usefull? MorphOS suffers from the Open Source problem, which is: only a very limited group of users and an even smaller group of developers that can code what they want, because they make their own priorities (and they are right because its their own time). If they quit, its over. If they abandon a project, it's over etc.

Its all about priorities: should the small amount of developers focus on even more hardware support or should they focus on applications that use the current platform (platform = the running OS + required libraries) and again: nobody sets the priorities accept the developers themselves.

<This is subjective>
For me MorphOS is complete, it does what I expect it to do, although a little slow, when compared with Mac OS X on the same machine. Could I live with MorphOS as my only computing platform? No. To much software for day to day use is missing.
</subjective off>

> MorphOS suffers from the Open Source problem, which is: [...] If they quit, its over.
> If they abandon a project, it's over etc.

Doesn't sound like *open* source to me :-)

> MorphOS [...] does what I expect it to do, although a little slow, when compared
> with Mac OS X on the same machine.

On my Mac mini G4, MorphOS is certainly faster than MacOSX Leopard. This may be different on dual-CPU machines for certain computational tasks, though.

"For me MorphOS is complete, ... To much software for day to day use is missing."

Does this contradiction make sense to you?