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Posts: 2720 from 2003/2/24
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TheMagicM wrote:
I'm not giving benefit of doubt, I'm saying that if Crimea says they want to go with Russia..
But did "they" really do that?
And what if some vague majority in, say, North Dakota, Montana or Minnesota suddenly and completely one-sided would say, "Hey, we want to belong to Canada now", holding a summary referendum a week later with two options; "1. Yes", and "2. Well, kind of Yes", and Canada starts moving in some army units to support this "transition" by blocking and taking over US military installations, do you really believe the rest of the USA would say "OK, if they want it, let them have it their way". No. It doesn't work that way, not anywhere in the world, and it's not the first time, nor the last time, that some region in a country wants to "break free" or wants to be adopted by another nation. And again - did they (the Crimea population) really want to do it?
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what can the Ukraine do about it? Nothing.
And nobody else can/will do anything either, other than perhaps putting up trade/travel/diplomatic/financial embargo's etc, but nobody will go military against Russia. Not Ukraine, not Nato, not USA.
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So who does that leave? NATO. Who is NATO? USA thats who.
Well, USA and 27 other nations, each equally bound by the same treaty.
http://www.nato.int/cps/en/natolive/nato_countries.htm
USA may spend the most resources on its military, but it's far from the only one within NATO with a potent military force. And it's especially
Article 5 of the North Atlantic Treaty that makes Nato a such a powerful defense alliance. Had Ukraine been a NATO member, then I doubt Russia would have done this move, not only because USA is a Nato member, but because such a move would have been considered as an Attack on all 28 nations, who would be bound by the treaty to act and come to Ukraine's aid (war).
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We get sent out because we're badasses. I know that. But I think some countries need to stick up for themselves.
You really don't seem to understand that whenever your military is deployed in various countries, in various conflicts (or even *initiating* conflicts), it's *only* because your government believes it is within USA's best interest to do so. And frankly, you don't have anything to say about it (well, you can *talk* about it, like you do here
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Never has the USA come to aid another NATO member (there hasn't been a need to do so), and the fact is that only *one single time* has the Article 5 in the NATO treaty been invoked, and that was per USA request after the 9/11 attack, where the other NATO members rallied to help USA by deploying troops to Afghanistan under the NATO-led ISAF.
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From here on out...if I was UA, I would build up my nuclear arsenal.
In 1991 (after the Soviet Union collapse), Ukraine had the third largest strategic nuclear weapons arsenal in the world. With its 1,900 warheads, the arsenal was larger than those of Britain, France, and China combined. In spring 1994 they began shipping the nukes to Russia for dismantling, and in 1996 they became a nuke-free nation when the last warhead left the country.
In return for giving up its nuclear weapons, Ukraine, the United States of America, Russia, and the United Kingdom signed the 1994 Budapest Memorandum on Security Assurances, pledging to respect Ukraine territorial integrity, a pledge that was arguably broken by Russia's 2014 invasion of Crimea.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_weapons_and_Ukraine
MorphOS is Amiga
done right! 
MorphOS NG will be AROS
done right!
