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What happened to original MorphOS goals?

klesterjr

# 101
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Posts: 196 from 2005/4/1

@Golem
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Actually it looks like you're just choosing to ignore the same answers as ssolie

I just re-read this whole thread and I have to agree with MorphDelf -- where exactly did anyone answer the original question?

I always hated the whole "Q box" idea -- so I can't say that I'm disappointed with the way things turned out anyway.
»12.03.09 - 02:40

takemehomegrandma

# 102
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pixie wrote:

Where are all those who used to bash AW for their moderation policies? Why don't you stand up here?

And where is the malicious moderation in this thread if I may ask?
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»12.03.09 - 05:10

hooligan

# 103
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Posts: 1948 from 2003/2/23

From: Lahti, Finland

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pixie wrote:
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Can someone copy/paste this topic to AMigaworld.net and delete it here.

Perhaps you should get out more, no one is forcing you to participate or even read this thread.

Where are all those who used to bash AW for their moderation policies? Why don't you stand up here?

For your information, I have been following the thread with extreme care, but so far haven't felt the need to start busting balls. Somewhere else you'd have earned yourself a seven days ban for questionining moderators abilities
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»12.03.09 - 05:40

itix

# 104
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Posts: 1520 from 2003/2/24

From: Finland

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I just re-read this whole thread and I have to agree with MorphDelf -- where exactly did anyone answer the original question?

What happened to original MorphOS goals? What happened is that ABox is our goal. QBox is a side project which is no longer important.
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»12.03.09 - 05:40

takemehomegrandma

# 105
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klesterjr wrote:
@Golem
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Actually it looks like you're just choosing to ignore the same answers as ssolie

I just re-read this whole thread and I have to agree with MorphDelf -- where exactly did anyone answer the original question?

The answer to post #1 is in post #2 already. After that it quickly descends into a farce where he persistently insinuates that the Q-box is what everyone really wanted but "all" the MorphOS team delivered was something that emulates an 80's platform (:lol:), MorphOS team failed and has given up, MorphOS is dead, Genesi is evil, MorphOS shouldn't be sold for money and should be open sourced, but the MorphOS team is only interested in grabbing as much of peoples money as they can, therefore the MorphOS team is evil as well, MorphOS team members trying to correct him is disregarded with "your opinion isn't worth any more than mine, it's not facts" (:lol:), etc. I agree with Crumb, he is only here to troll, and if we ignore him maybe he will go away...
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»12.03.09 - 05:57

itix

# 106
MorphOS Developer

Posts: 1520 from 2003/2/24

From: Finland

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ssolie is asking here about whats the goals are for MorphOS and why the original path have been changed so much.

There are two reasons:
- most users prefer ABox over anything else
- PPC

QBox is nice but as long as users are running their applications in ABox they want ABox improvements: 3D, filesystems, WarpOS, the desktop, Unicode, tools, USB, FireWire, MUI, Reggae, web browsers, memory system, NetStack... the list is endless. Those features are more important than improving QBox.

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Maybe what MorphOS Team members is really saying here in a context is that they should get paid, but they dont.

What you mean?

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Wasnt the key with Genesi and bbrv that you didnt get paid?

Problem with Genesi was that actions did not match their promises.

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Is it better that you dont get paid at all, but everything goes to laire himself?

Erm... everything goes to the MorphOS team.

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If topic is MorphOS, theres no need for personal attacks.

Could you please point out where there were personal attacks?
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»12.03.09 - 06:04

maurensen

# 107
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Posts: 358 from 2003/10/3

From: Padova - Italy

@itix
+1.
Speaking of boxes, I prefer the improvements in the Amiga-Box.Then, in order of importance, agree also a box full of good bottles of beer

Hola
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»12.03.09 - 08:17

jcmarcos

# 108
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Posts: 1178 from 2003/3/13

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Takemehomegrandma, great resume about this thread. Itix, great resume about MorphOS Team goals.

I fear I have to repeat myself: Actually, we DON'T want QBox. Alright, ABox is for running very old programs (even original compiled code, thanks to Trance), who wants that.
But think: Do we really want a completely new operating system (QBox)? Something for which there's no single application (nor driver!) written yet? Do we want them the MorphOS Team to maintain an operating system AND applications?

Do we think they are Microsoft?

Next, we should talk about why porting applications is evil...
»12.03.09 - 09:10

Crumb

# 109
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Next, we should talk about why porting applications is evil...

Porting apps is not evil as long as the port is properly done. E.g.: MPlayer
»12.03.09 - 11:27

Fab

# 110
MorphOS Developer

Posts: 1331 from 2003/6/16

I wonder how many times an answer should be given so that ssolie finally spots it.

If ssolie has reading issues, maybe he should address this first. But as I doubt he has, he clearly has another goal in this thread.

So, SSolie, since you're ignoring all answers that don't please you, could you tell us what answer we should give you? We'll all save time that way.

[ Edited by Fab on 2009/3/12 13:45 ]
»12.03.09 - 11:44

jcmarcos

# 111
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Posts: 1178 from 2003/3/13

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Crumb wrote:

Porting apps is not evil as long as the port is properly done. E.g.: MPlayer

Of course! Porting applications is not evil... to some extent: If we want a unique computer, with its own operating system, then, all applications should be of our own. For example, it would mean refusing to use Orygin Web Browser (fantastic program!), and accept the limitations of Voyager or IBrowse. Kind of unnaceptable, I think...

I this could be called "computer fundamentalism"

The thing is, some ports are really, really good programs. Namely, FAB's Orygin and MPlayer. But there are other cases, when a Linux framework is shoehorned into MorphOS. Those are the ones I don't like.

But anyway, a computer is useless without applications, wherever they come from. Taking advantage of huge programs like Orygin and MPlayer is too much of a temptation!
»12.03.09 - 11:50

Piru

# 112
MorphOS Developer

Posts: 595 from 2003/2/24

From: finland, the l...

@MorphDelf
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Maybe what MorphOS Team members is really saying here in a context is that they should get paid, but they dont.

If you're referring to me, I am not. I get paid well enough for my actual full time job.
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I am not you, so I dont know.

And as such I'd appreciate if you wouldn't go on speculating about such things. Thank you.
»12.03.09 - 12:46

magnetic

# 113
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Posts: 2129 from 2003/3/1

From: Los Angeles

Ssolie

ok, are you some aw.net guy come over here to cause troubles? (If so we already have a trouble maker named Henes )

You have been successful in pissing off two of the nice(r) Morph devs - Fab and Piru - thats quite the accomplishment. Feel proud.

So what is your true motivation here? Qbox has been abandoned since the Thendic days as its rather fruitless at this point - so why continue?

Oh and as far as throwing the money in their faces you forget they worked for YEARS with no pay or little pay...they deserve every penny they get.
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»12.03.09 - 23:01

Leo

# 114
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Posts: 419 from 2003/8/18

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What happened to original MorphOS goals? What happened is that ABox is our goal. QBox is a side project which is no longer important.

Now that's crystal clear. Thanks for the answer.

I'll look for another kind of QBox-like project elsewhere then :)
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»13.03.09 - 06:43

itix

# 115
MorphOS Developer

Posts: 1520 from 2003/2/24

From: Finland

@Leo

No problem :)
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»13.03.09 - 08:09

Henes

# 116
MorphOS Developer

Posts: 507 from 2003/6/14

\o/
»13.03.09 - 08:45

itix

# 117
MorphOS Developer

Posts: 1520 from 2003/2/24

From: Finland

@ssolie

Btw.

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MorphOS/Quark has the following basic design goals
(snip)

Many of those features do exist in MorphOS right now. ABox is running on its own protected thread under Quark which again is following original design goals. But user would not notice difference.
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»13.03.09 - 09:52

TheMagicM

# 118
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Posts: 1220 from 2003/6/17

Cliff's Notes please. lol

(unless its not even worth the time, read:pointless thread)

[ Edited by TheMagicM on 2009/3/13 23:02 ]
»14.03.09 - 03:01

amigadave

# 119
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@TheMagicM,

Don't waste your time.

Nothing to see here. Move along.
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»14.03.09 - 14:25

TheMagicM

# 120
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Posts: 1220 from 2003/6/17

@amigadave:

thats what I figured..

I wonder how MorphOS for Mac Mini is coming along...
»14.03.09 - 15:36

amigadave

# 121
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TheMagicM wrote:
@amigadave:

thats what I figured..

I wonder how MorphOS for Mac Mini is coming along...

I don't know, but I have my G4 Mini here waiting for the release of a beta version for testing and hopefully a full release soon after that. It acts as a media player for right now, so it is getting some use.

I seem to remember that you were selling your EFIKA and that you had, or were getting a G4 Mini yourself in anticipation of MorphOS being ported to it. Did you find a buyer?
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»14.03.09 - 23:41

klesterjr

# 122
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Posts: 196 from 2005/4/1

@Leo
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What happened to original MorphOS goals? What happened is that ABox is our goal. QBox is a side project which is no longer important.

Now that's crystal clear. Thanks for the answer.

Maybe there's a language barrier here (although I suspect otherwise).

"QBox is a side project which is no longer important" -- that's all well and good (and obvious), but the question was WHAT HAPPENED?

Presumably, the "Q-Box" idea was contingent on the success of "A-Box". Since things didn't go as well as hoped, the idea was abandoned.

Q-Box was a big part of what MOS was going to be, so I think the question is legitimate (even if it makes a few people uncomfortable).

It's been a long road since 1994. Can someone just play Taps now?
»15.03.09 - 05:55

guruman

# 123
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Posts: 461 from 2003/7/21

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klesterjr wrote:
"QBox is a side project which is no longer important" -- that's all well and good (and obvious), but the question was WHAT HAPPENED?

Ehm, Ken, we're always back to page 1, message 2. Let me quote for you what Harry "Piru" Sintonen wrote there - and as you might know he is one of the core members of the MorphOS-team:
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To be any good ABox had to be finished first, and be of high quality. That took a very long time.

QBox, (or rather several different OSes running at the same time which was the bigger plan, something like highly efficient vmware) would have required major overhaul for drivers and such (you wouldn't have been able to run them inside ABox obviously). Basically it would have required way more resources than were available. The commercial (as in making a living just coding this stuff) side of things pretty much dying didn't help either.

So, rather than taking the very very hard route we instead chose to expand the ABox side. Yes, it doesn't allow some of the wildest dreams of the QBox thing, but it still is very good.

Am I in any way disappointed in all this? Not really. Even with "just" ABox, MorphOS still kicks serious behind and is great fun.

I think everything has been crystal clear from the first answer in this thread, the answer was straightforward, and the rest of the thread is just about people that do not want to read/accept the answer...

I do agree that using MorphOS is indeed great fun, and I have always been more interested in the evolution of MorphOS as a advanced/next generation incarnation of the good old AmigaOS.

Kind regards,
Andrea
»15.03.09 - 11:12

TheMagicM

# 124
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I don't know, but I have my G4 Mini here waiting for the release of a beta version for testing and hopefully a full release soon after that. It acts as a media player for right now, so it is getting some use.

I seem to remember that you were selling your EFIKA and that you had, or were getting a G4 Mini yourself in anticipation of MorphOS being ported to it. Did you find a buyer?

I actually have 2 G4 mini's (1.4ghz versions). I bought one for next to nothing for my son (which he didnt like) and then bought one as a backup for about $225..so I have two sitting here doing nothing.

Yea, I sold the EFIKA to someone but I forget who it was. Its a great machine but after seeing MorphOS running on the mini, it was just too tempting. I knew I'd sell the EFIKA after the mini version came out so I figured I'd do it before anyone lost interest in the EFIKA because of the mini version.

-Alex
»15.03.09 - 12:17

klesterjr

# 125
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Posts: 196 from 2005/4/1

@guruman
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Ehm, Ken, we're always back to page 1, message 2.

That's a pretty reasonable response -- not sure how I blew past it.

Thanks.

:-)
»15.03.09 - 16:44