cant get morph to install on my powerbook g4 17"
  • Just looking around
    Posts: 12 from 2013/9/11
    ok i need help - i tried many many times pressing and holding the c key down after before and during the chime while inserting a disc i burned on my imac of the trial download and every damn time the mac os x starts up . i tried holding down the alt key and doing it that way several times with same results . just doesnt seem to work for me. i looked at the help desk page and i didnt quite understand what it was talking about modifying teh boot script with tools . anyways need help intalling teh thing it looks like a great product i would like to try it out .

    do i need to erase my mac powerbooks hardrive , thought the install would just write over it.

    ive never modified the boot script on my macs so dont know how to do it or do i even need to do it?

    please help!!

    thaddaeus
  • »12.09.13 - 00:16
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    Krashan
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    @thaddaeus:

    ok i need help - i tried many many times pressing and holding the c key down after before and during the chime while inserting a disc i burned on my imac of the trial download and every damn time the mac os x starts up

    1. Have you checked if the CD drive can read discs?
    2. Does the PowerBook at least try to boot from CD (disc spins up)?
    3. Are you sure you haven't just burned ISO image as a file? Try to read the disc in other computer. What is the contents?
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    Kronos
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    4) try to read the CD on that PowerBook bootet into OSX
    5) hold down "ALT" on startup, CD should appear as bootable option
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  • Cocoon
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    I am having exactly the same issue on a mac mini I just got, I can read the cd fine in osx, but cannot boot from it. If I hold down alt on boot I get the hdd as the only option, holding down c ejects the disc as the apple logo appears.
    Is there a way to try from usb?
  • »12.09.13 - 16:11
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  • Cocoon
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    I've just burned it to a DVD rather than a CD but it's still doing the same :(
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  • Cocoon
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    just burned the CD in OSX rather than Windows, still nothing

    I've gone into the OpenFirmware and tried boot cd and get the following error:
    LOAD-SIZE is too small

    any ideas?

    [ Edited by mmace 12.09.2013 - 20:12 ]
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  • Priest of the Order of the Butterfly
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    Quote:

    mmace wrote:
    I've just burned it to a DVD rather than a CD but it's still doing the same :(


    Once the disc has burned, check the contents.
    If you see directories including 'Applications, C, Classes, Data' then all went
    well.
    If all you see is Morphos3.1.iso then you haven't created a disc from the image,
    but created a data disk with the image file on its filesystem.
    If you continue to have problems, or need help with a specific burning
    application, please ask for help.

    [ Edited by boot_wb 12.09.2013 - 20:21 ]
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  • Cocoon
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    I've burned it properly, I see all the files/folders on my PC and the new Mac, I just cannot boot it

    just tried the following in Open Firmware too (using USB stick with boot.img and the iso file:
    boot usb1/@1:,\boot.img umsd0:morphos32.iso
    but I still instantly get the "LOAD-SIZE to small" error
  • »12.09.13 - 20:04
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    Posts: 3108 from 2003/3/5
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    Quote:

    mmace wrote:
    boot usb1/@1:,\boot.img umsd0:morphos32.iso
    but I still instantly get the "LOAD-SIZE to small" error


    That'd suggest the path is wrong - and it seems you've missed a part:

    Code:
    boot usb1/disk@1:,\boot.img bi umsd0:morphos32.iso


    would be correct. (or usb0 depending on the usb port)
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  • Cocoon
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    I've tried a bootable Linux disc (for Mac ppc) too but it's still not having it. Is there something stopping it from seeing these discs on boot up?
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    Quote:

    mmace wrote:
    I've tried a bootable Linux disc (for Mac ppc) too but it's still not having it. Is there something stopping it from seeing these discs on boot up?


    That'd be shitty quality drives Apple puts into their portables. Any luck with the USB boot?
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  • Cocoon
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    Quote:

    jacadcaps wrote:
    Quote:

    mmace wrote:
    I've tried a bootable Linux disc (for Mac ppc) too but it's still not having it. Is there something stopping it from seeing these discs on boot up?


    That'd be shitty quality drives Apple puts into their portables. Any luck with the USB boot?
    not yet, is taking forever to read/write
  • »12.09.13 - 21:24
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    ok i think this might be my problem ! all i see is Morphos3.1.iso
    i just downloaded the file and burned it to cd thru finder . how do ii burn it correctly so it will boot ?

    thank you

    thaddaeus
    im not a computer dude i just draw pictures lol





    Quote:

    boot_wb wrote:
    Quote:

    mmace wrote:
    I've just burned it to a DVD rather than a CD but it's still doing the same :(


    Once the disc has burned, check the contents.
    If you see directories including 'Applications, C, Classes, Data' then all went
    well.
    If all you see is Morphos3.1.iso then you haven't created a disc from the image,
    but created a data disk with the image file on its filesystem.
    If you continue to have problems, or need help with a specific burning
    application, please ask for help.
  • »12.09.13 - 21:34
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    Quote:

    thaddaeus wrote:

    ok i think this might be my problem ! all i see is Morphos3.1.iso
    i just downloaded the file and burned it to cd thru finder . how do ii burn it correctly so it will boot ?



    Burn it through Disk Utility.

    http://support.apple.com/kb/HT2087

    [ Edited by jacadcaps 12.09.2013 - 23:42 ]
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    jacadcaps
    Posts: 3108 from 2003/3/5
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    Quote:

    mmace wrote:
    not yet, is taking forever to read/write



    If OF is picky about a particular USB drive, just try another one.
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    Kronos wrote:
    4) try to read the CD on that PowerBook bootet into OSX
    5) hold down "ALT" on startup, CD should appear as bootable option


    im reinstalling Tiger on my powerbook (was running leperd ) so the cd drive seems to be working fine doing that

    i reburned the disc opend the file i downloaded (image file?) and drug each seperate item into the burn folder and burned it
  • »13.09.13 - 00:58
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    GREAT NEWS!!!
    i reinstalled Tiger then used disk utility like you said to burn the disc image and now morph is installing gjust fine !!
    Thank You so much!!!

    thaddaeus


    Quote:

    jacadcaps wrote:
    Quote:

    thaddaeus wrote:

    ok i think this might be my problem ! all i see is Morphos3.1.iso
    i just downloaded the file and burned it to cd thru finder . how do ii burn it correctly so it will boot ?



    Burn it through Disk Utility.

    http://support.apple.com/kb/HT2087
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  • Paladin of the Pegasos
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    Quote:

    ok i think this might be my problem ! all i see is Morphos3.1.iso


    Is that a typo? You really should be using the 3.2 image.
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    yes typo! sorry
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  • Paladin of the Pegasos
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    Quote:

    thaddaeus wrote:
    yes typo! sorry


    No worries just wanted to make sure you were getting the best experience. :)
    1.67GHz 15" PowerBook G4, 1GB RAM, 128MB Radeon 9700M Pro, 64GB SSD, MorphOS 3.15

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  • »14.09.13 - 12:29
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  • Cocoon
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    Posts: 45 from 2013/8/19
    I'm still having no luck
    I've tried everything on here:
    https://plus.google.com/116577675681734261882/posts/gRdwjwaWn1o

    I have ordered a firewire hard drive enclosure from eBay as a last resort, can anyone tell me what I should do with it when it arrives?
    just format as FAT (32?) and copy the files on to it or do I need to do something else?

    any help with this would be appreciated as I'm out of ideas and possibly out of £110 with no money to get another Mac

    cheers
  • »14.09.13 - 18:20
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    Kronos
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    The link in your link (the one about booting from USB) is only true for Intel Macs, for anything PPC you need to go the route of issueing commands in OpenFirmWare.

    A FireWire drive won't be of much help as MorphOS's boot.img does not contain a FW-stack (so you might get as far as loading the boot.img but not further).

    In your google-- post you mentioned a boot command. I'm not 100% sure wether that is correct for booting an ISO.
    *edit* yep thats wrong as jaca wrote earlier you need to :
    boot usb1/disk@1:,\boot.img bi umsd0:morphos32.iso
    Your line missed the "bi" for bootimage telling MorphOS that the next argument is an ISO.

    If you do have a CD with the actualy content of that ISO you might get away with :
    boot usb1/@1:,\boot.img BM (this will open a menu that might contain the CD if it's readable for MorphOS)
    boot usb1/@1:,\boot.img BD CD0 (this would directly try to boot the cd).

    Instead of "usb1/@1:,\boot.img" you could offcourse also try to boot the boot.img in the mac_ppc32 directory (this also the img you need to use when you start from USB, the one in the ISO/CD's root directory is for Pegasos2 and won't work).
  • »14.09.13 - 22:41
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  • Cocoon
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    Posts: 45 from 2013/8/19
    Thank you, I was pointing it at the wrong boot.img

    so, tried the new command and I'm getting somewhere now, I just tried:
    boot usb0/@1:,\mac_ppc32\boot.img BD CD0

    in return I got:
    Quote:

    load-size=291234 odler32xHEXSTUFF

    Loading ELF
    QuarkOpenFirmware
    console active
    System: <PowerMac:10,2> Rev <>
    CPU0: <PPC7447A> Version 0x0003 Revision: 0x102
    CPU0: CPUClock: 14999999994 BUSClick: 166402287

    DO-QUIESCE finished_


    Then it sits there and does nothing
    Any ideas to progress?

    [ Edited by mmace 15.09.2013 - 11:52 ]
  • »15.09.13 - 10:52
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  • Cocoon
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    Posts: 45 from 2013/8/19
    I also just tried a new USB stick with the following:

    Code:
    boot usb0/@1:,boot.img bi umsd0:morphos32.iso


    but I still get this:
    Quote:

    load-size=291234 odler32xSTUFF

    Loading ELF
    QuarkOpenFirmware
    console active
    System: <PowerMac:10,2> Rev <>
    CPU0: <PPC7447A> Version 0x0003 Revision: 0x102
    CPU0: CPUClock: 14999999994 BUSClick: 166402287

    DO-QUIESCE finished_
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  • Priest of the Order of the Butterfly
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    Posts: 874 from 2007/4/9
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    Quote:

    mmace wrote:
    I also just tried a new USB stick with the following:

    Code:
    boot usb0/@1:,boot.img bi umsd0:morphos32.iso


    but I still get this:
    Quote:

    load-size=291234 odler32xSTUFF

    Loading ELF
    QuarkOpenFirmware
    console active
    System: <PowerMac:10,2> Rev <>
    CPU0: <PPC7447A> Version 0x0003 Revision: 0x102
    CPU0: CPUClock: 14999999994 BUSClick: 166402287

    DO-QUIESCE finished_



    Sounds like it's not finding the iso. given the DVD drive won't recognise a Linux boot disk either, I'd concentrate on USB booting.Make sure the DVD is removed to ensure that it isn't accidentally trying to boot from that. :-)

    Command above should be:
    Quote:

    boot usb0/disk@1:,\boot.img bi umsd0:morphos32.iso

    but I guess that's just a typo since it found the img file.

    Have you checked the md5 of the ISO against the one on the download page? Just to make sure it isn't a corrupted download.

    On OSX terminal 'md5' command can be used.
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