MorphOS 2.1 License
  • Priest of the Order of the Butterfly
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    Simon
    Posts: 809 from 2008/7/6
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    Maybe this asked here before but I can not seem to find it. When I buy a MorphOS license for my Efika, can I transfer it to another machine in the future ? Thing is... I don't think Efika is powerfull enough to do much with it. But I wouldn't mind already spending 150 Euro for MorphOS when I could transfer it later on to a more powerfull machine ( MacMINI, Efika 2, ..whatever... ) . On the other side, when I have to buy a second license for the other machine for the same price... sorry I don't mind supporting development, but I do not have donkey that sh*ts money in my backyard.
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    itix
    Posts: 1520 from 2003/2/24
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    License is per machine. If you get faster machine in the future you can sell your Efika with MorphOS license.
    1 + 1 = 3 with very large values of 1
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  • Priest of the Order of the Butterfly
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    Jambalah
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    ..and if a machine is broken with no chances?!? What one Iis going to sell?
    Is it possible in this extreme case transfer the licence from a machine to another?!?
    Thxs!!! :-)
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  • Paladin of the Pegasos
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    koszer
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    That makes me wonder how many "broken" Efikas we would see when Efika 2 comes out...

    "Please transfer my keyfile to my new Efika 2 since my old one accidentaly fell downstairs" :)
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  • Priest of the Order of the Butterfly
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    Jambalah
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    Right! How many broken Efikas will we see?!? So much..
    So people that really has a broken machine can even go to eat :xxx: somewhere he desire :-)
    Ok, ok... It is not a controversy... Only a thought.

    P.S: I haven't MorphOS 2.1. Only registered 2.0.. But I don't know how to upgrade to 2.1... I missed something in the instructions :lol:
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  • Priest of the Order of the Butterfly
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    Simon
    Posts: 809 from 2008/7/6
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    Honestly, ... who is going to buy an Efika with a license when some other and more powerful board is for sale?
    I can imagine that an Efika2 will be in the same price range as the Efika1 ... so who is going to want a used Efika1 in that case?

    I understand the piracy concerns, but I think I am just going to wait untill MorphOS for Macmini or something else more useable. I do not want to take the risk spending 150 Euro twice for nothing.
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    P.S: I haven't MorphOS 2.1. Only registered 2.0.. But I don't know how to upgrade to 2.1... I missed something in the instructions :lol:



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    IIRC there's no confirmation yet if there will be MorphOS support for the Efika2 (when/if it comes).

    [ Edited by Zylesea on 2008/11/3 12:30 ]
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    > IIRC there's no confirmation yet if there will
    > be MorphOS support for the Efika2 (when/if it comes).

    Exactly, as there's no confirmation yet if there will be an Efika 2 of any kind.
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    Zylesea
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    Andreas_Wolf wrote:
    > IIRC there's no confirmation yet if there will
    > be MorphOS support for the Efika2 (when/if it comes).

    Exactly, as there's no confirmation yet if there will be an Efika 2 of any kind.


    Therefore my "when/if it comes".
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    Posts: 1520 from 2003/2/24
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    itix, I think we should have the right to take the OS license we bought off the first machine and put it on another machine. We just should. Besides that, what if the first one breaks?



    I understand but how it would work in the practise?
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  • Priest of the Order of the Butterfly
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    Simon
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    Take the broken machine, smash it with a hammer, try to avoid the label with serial and macadress.
    Now take a picture, send it to the MorphOS-team and ask for a new license because your old system is broken.

    Not a bad idea I think, smashing my perfectly fine Efika board when time comes, will be cheaper compared to a new license. :-P
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    > Therefore my "[...] if it comes".

    Erm, even if there *was* a confirmation, it could quite easily happen that it wouldn't come. Genesi have a proven track record in such matter. So a confirmation not even being in existence still is a somewhat different scenario than what you proposed.
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    Crumb
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    sending the broken board to MOS Team?
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  • Priest of the Order of the Butterfly
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    Cego
    Posts: 733 from 2006/5/28
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    the way you did the registration is pure garbage. if my peg2 dies one day i wont buy morphos2 again, just to use a system again, for what i had already paid...

    wheres the problem of changing the key to the new machine? you could block the old key in a newer update and btw, the old key would be still useless, cause it wont run on other machines.
    you'll lose more users that way it is now, in case hardware dies. think about it...
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    Jambalah
    Posts: 820 from 2008/3/30
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    @ Oepabakkes: You are my hero!!!

    AH AH AH AH AH AH!!!! Help!! I'm dying!! Too much laughing :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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    Thousands of MorphOS users crashing their mobo with sadic eyes, laughing like crazy, screaming "Peg III is here!!!! AAAAHHHHHHH!!!" :lol:
    Using any kind of weapon (someone could even eat his mobo...).. :lol:
    And then... New Peg?!? Two more weeks.... :lol:
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    [ Edited by Jambalah on 2008/11/3 20:32 ]
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    Velcro_SP wrote:
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    License is per machine. If you get faster machine in the future you can sell your Efika with MorphOS license.


    itix, I think we should have the right to take the OS license we bought off the first machine and put it on another machine. We just should. Besides that, what if the first one breaks?


    That is crazy! If you want a license for a different machine, you pay for a new license, or at the least, an upgrade license to use on the different machine. The MorphOS team will likely not give you a license for an EFIKA2 just because you threw your EFIKA1 down the stairs or out of a plane.

    It is similar (not the exact same) as PC users that are forced to sell their PCs for a fraction of the purchase price when they want to get a faster computer. Your EFIKA will only be worth a fraction of what you paid for it when an EFIKA2 is available.
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  • Priest of the Order of the Butterfly
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    Cego
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    too bad for the devs, if they dont have any trust in the users. dont wonder, if theres no one left one day...

    and you think people will intentionally crash their peg2 just to get a new keyfile? i see, so rather selling the machine and having extra money (more than 150 euros for sure) to get a peg3, they'll rather crash their peg2. even if this was just a joke, in reality everybody's gonna sell their peg2 in case a peg3 comes out, and that way they could sell their key licence too. this kind of distribution isnt even worth puking on it. thats something i would've expected from another OS developer team...
    you are actually telling me that my MorphOS hobby will end, when my Peg2's time's up. really nice. and i thought that its possible to transfer the key in such a case. there must be a lot more users who didnt buy MorphOS2.0
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  • MorphOS Developer
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    sending the broken board to MOS Team?



    That is plausible idea but there is no official policy how such cases are handled. I can not promise anything.

    @Cego

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    wheres the problem of changing the key to the new machine? you could block the old key in a newer update and btw, the old key would be still useless, cause it wont run on other machines.
    you'll lose more users that way it is now, in case hardware dies. think about it...



    The problem is your old key because suddenly you have two working keys. It is not that easy.

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    you are actually telling me that my MorphOS hobby will end, when my Peg2's time's up. really nice. and i thought that its possible to transfer the key in such a case. there must be a lot more users who didnt buy MorphOS2.0



    If your Amiga died you bought new one and got new copy of Kickstart and Workbench with it. Of course problem here is that Pegasos + MorphOS 2 costs more than real Amigas used to cost...
    1 + 1 = 3 with very large values of 1
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  • MorphOS Developer
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    if my Amiga with rom 3.1 died I transfer rom to new 3.0 machine. Os 3.9 too. I will never buy another copy of 3.9 :)
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    itix
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    if my Amiga with rom 3.1 died I transfer rom to new 3.0 machine. Os 3.9 too. I will never buy another copy of 3.9 :)



    Sure but Commodore didnt subsidize your new machine because you already had 3.1 ROMs :-) Someone already paid that 3.0 and 3.1 even though 3.0 is being unused by then... but you are right, transfering OS to another machine was lot easier than moving MorphOS 2.

    But anyhow... current distribution model would not work if registered copy was not tied to specific machine.
    1 + 1 = 3 with very large values of 1
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  • Paladin of the Pegasos
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    Posts: 1220 from 2003/6/17
    its harder for MorphOS devel to handle it the way "OS 3.x" was in the past. Meaning, you buy 3.x roms, buy WB 3.x and if your (for example) A2k dies and you buy another you just transfer your rom and WB. I'm sure Commodore made most of their money from selling the kickstart roms. You couldnt run 3.x on 2.x or 1.3 roms. With MorphOS, not only is the marketplace smaller but there is nothing there to prevent piracy if they didnt have MorphOS tied to a certain mobo you currently own.

    its a case of "damned if you do, damned if you dont".
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  • Priest of the Order of the Butterfly
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    xyphoid
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    i think it also prevents alot of people
    from registering in the first place..
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