MorphOS 3.20
  • Paladin of the Pegasos
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    ThePlayer
    Posts: 1086 from 2003/3/24
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    Wow this release is awesome!!!
    Thank you MorphOS Team!!!

    The Change-log is longer then the sequenced Genome of a Human ;-)

    And here is my first question about the new GPUs that are supported.
    Are R600 and R700, Evergreen and Northern Islands now fully 3D accelerated?


    [ Editiert durch ThePlayer 30.05.2026 - 16:24 ]
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  • »30.05.26 - 15:15
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    Kronos
    Posts: 2560 from 2003/2/24
    Well release notes for Radeon and TinyGL don't mention 3D support for these, that should give you the answer.

    For the moment a x1950 is best option for anything 3D, and it can even handle 2 screens with 2560x1440 pixels at over 50Hz.
    You can even get 3440x1440 or 4k working if your monitor syncs down to 40Hz.
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  • Paladin of the Pegasos
    Paladin of the Pegasos
    ThePlayer
    Posts: 1086 from 2003/3/24
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    Quote:

    Kronos schrieb:
    Well release notes for Radeon and TinyGL don't mention 3D support for these, that should give you the answer.

    For the moment a x1950 is best option for anything 3D, and it can even handle 2 screens with 2560x1440 pixels at over 50Hz.
    You can even get 3440x1440 or 4k working if your monitor syncs down to 40Hz.


    Ok but what does that mean in Devs/Monitors/Radeon "Added reporting support for 3D rendering on Evergreen and Northern Islands"?

    I do run a Radeon 4550 PCI-Express in my G5 Quad in 3440x1440 in 60Hz would never use a Screenmode with 40Hz.
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  • »30.05.26 - 15:37
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    O.k. missed that bit in the release notes and since the Mirari is the only working PCIe system I have at the moment I can't really test. For me it sounds like it will now tell you that it can't do 3D *shrug*

    I might test later on how far I could push the x1950 on the 3440x1440 screen if that is of any interest, but 60Hz it won't be (maybe with an actual DualLink->HDMI converter).
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  • Order of the Butterfly
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    Very nice! I am curious for Southern island support!
    I have to find some compatible.
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  • Order of the Butterfly
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    Unfortunately, there's still no native Bluetooth support...
    iBook G4 - 14" -1,42 GHz - 32MB VRAM - 1,5GB RAM - 60GB mSata - MorphOS 3.20
  • »31.05.26 - 05:47
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    DanicaTalos wrote:
    Unfortunately, there's still no native Bluetooth support...


    Don't hold your breath for any change on that.

    BT protocol has some trojan horse IP included making it impossible to distribute a stack as binary without someone paying for a license. Which is AFAIR in 5 figures per year.
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  • Paladin of the Pegasos
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    Quote:

    Kronos wrote:
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    DanicaTalos wrote:
    Unfortunately, there's still no native Bluetooth support...


    Don't hold your breath for any change on that.

    BT protocol has some trojan horse IP included making it impossible to distribute a stack as binary without someone paying for a license. Which is AFAIR in 5 figures per year.


    That's not true, Linux distros and other OS's distribute BlueZ binaries all the time and even use the Bluetooth trademark in their docs etc.

    There are Bluetooth SIG qualification and branding/patent licence rules, but those are for companies shipping Bluetooth-enabled hardware.

    Those fees can be in the five figures per product qualification or per year for higher membership tiers, MorphOS Team isn't selling Bluetooth enabled hardware.
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  • »31.05.26 - 08:49
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    Intuition wrote:

    That's not true, Linux distros and other OS's distribute BlueZ binaries all the time and even use the Bluetooth trademark in their docs etc.




    You do realize that "Linux" is a trillion $ business?

    So yeah someone is providing those licenses.
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  • Paladin of the Pegasos
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    Quote:

    Kronos wrote:
    Quote:

    Intuition wrote:

    That's not true, Linux distros and other OS's distribute BlueZ binaries all the time and even use the Bluetooth trademark in their docs etc.




    You do realize that "Linux" is a trillion $ business?

    So yeah someone is providing those licenses.


    Reading comprehen sion isn't your strong point I see.

    There are no licence fees for shipping a bluetooth stack for your operating system, none at all.

    There a licencing fees for creating Bluetooth hardware that contains a Bluetooth stack and selling them.

    Clear now?
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  • »31.05.26 - 09:02
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    geit
    Posts: 1083 from 2004/9/23
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    Intuition wrote:

    There are no licence fees for shipping a bluetooth stack for your operating system, none at all.

    There a licencing fees for creating Bluetooth hardware that contains a Bluetooth stack and selling them.



    This changed only recently. I wasn´t aware of the change, too.

    Before the cost was to hefty for an niche OS like MorphOS and would have drained our resources within years.

    Since the focus of MorphOS was shifted away due to the fee, it also takes time to put big chunks like Bluetooth back into the bag, as developers have other plans and projects now.
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  • Paladin of the Pegasos
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    Quote:

    geit wrote:
    Quote:

    Intuition wrote:

    There are no licence fees for shipping a bluetooth stack for your operating system, none at all.

    There a licencing fees for creating Bluetooth hardware that contains a Bluetooth stack and selling them.



    This changed only recently. I wasn´t aware of the change, too.

    Before the cost was to hefty for an niche OS like MorphOS and would have drained our resources within years.

    Since the focus of MorphOS was shifted away due to the fee, it also takes time to put big chunks like Bluetooth back into the bag, as developers have other plans and projects now.



    It has long been possible to distribute an open-source Bluetooth stack like BlueZ etc in binary form without paying a five-figure annual licence.

    What has always existed is a SIG-controlled membership/qualification/listing regime for companies bringing Bluetooth hardware to market, especially if using the Bluetooth trademarks or claiming Bluetooth compliance.

    Some of those fees were indeed five figures, but they were not a blanket binary-distribution licence for stack software and never have been.
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  • Yokemate of Keyboards
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    Zylesea
    Posts: 2085 from 2003/6/4
    1st of all: Thank you for this great update!
    But on my setup I got issues with wayfarer: It does work but does load way too slow if at all: many pages just return a timeout. morph.zone loads content, but probably fails on the required css files, amiga-news gets shown,but also with lay out issues. heavier sites just don't load.
    Network is okay:; Odyssey does work, this is typed using Odyssey on 3.20. Iris does work, too.
    The behavoiur is on both of my yet updated machines (imac and powerbook, my other two machines are not yet updated). Looked a bit into the settings but haven't got an idea what to tweak...
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    Piru
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    @Zylesia

    This is odd. You could possibly try disabling HTTP/2 and HTTP/3 from settings and see if that makes any different - it should not, however.

    I am unable to see such issues in my local testing (but this of course is not a proof of anything).

    Does the same issue not happen with Wayfarer from https://wayfarer.icu/ ?
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  • Butterfly
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    SkulleateR
    Posts: 77 from 2023/9/19
    Also got a problem here with 3.20 on my PowerMac 7.3 ! Did an update and after reboot I got no Icons or a dock, nothing on my desktop ! But if I click anywhere I can open the MyMorphos file explorer and everything is working so far (as I'm typing this in Wayfarer) ... any suggestions ?

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  • »31.05.26 - 12:58
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    SkulleateR wrote:
    Also got a problem here with 3.20 on my PowerMac 7.3 ! Did an update and after reboot I got no Icons or a dock, nothing on my desktop ! But if I click anywhere I can open the MyMorphos file explorer and everything is working so far (as I'm typing this in Wayfarer) ... any suggestions ?

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    Looks like analogkid's issue.

    If this an R300 (9600 and the like) GFX card try the other video output.

    [ Edited by Kronos 31.05.2026 - 14:05 ]
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  • Butterfly
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    SkulleateR
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    @Kronos

    Well ... it is indeed a 9600Pro but as I'm using the Apple Panorama monitor I can only use that one particular output since I got no other monitor with DVI and that output also powers the monitor so that's a dead end ...

    I wonder why this happens with 3.20 then, was working fine before  :-(
  • »31.05.26 - 13:09
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    Ah so it's the 64MB variant with ADC...

    Really nothing else at hand? Some ancient VGA or a TV with DVI-HDMI cable would do just fine to confirm the issue.

    As for why, truckload of work has been done for dual screen support, DVI timings and all that.
  • »31.05.26 - 13:19
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  • Butterfly
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    SkulleateR
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    Nope, only DP and HDMI here (and some old C64 monitors  ;-) ) ...

    But I resolved it, there are two Radeon now in the screen settings, so it's Radeon9600P and Radeon9600P.1 and if I choose the second one everything is ok again ... thanks for putting me on the right track  :-)

    Sadly the next issue appears, the VRam is nearly maxed out, even if just using some explorer windows and everything is slowing down, oh well ...
  • »31.05.26 - 13:24
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    SkulleateR wrote:

    Sadly the next issue appears, the VRam is nearly maxed out, even if just using some explorer windows and everything is slowing down, oh well ...


    No surprise you only have 64MB and are still running a ghost screen on the 2nd port (my assumption).

    Out of my I head i don't know a way to force the system back to single monitor (or mirroring).
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  • Butterfly
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    SkulleateR
    Posts: 77 from 2023/9/19
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    Kronos schrieb:

    No surprise you only have 64MB and are still running a ghost screen on the 2nd port (my assumption).

    Out of my I head i don't know a way to force the system back to single monitor (or mirroring).




    Nope, I had to remove double/triple buffering for screens and everything is smooth again  :-)

    Oh, just because I didn't mention it already : big shoutout to the devs out there, it is for sure a pain in the a** to support so many systems with so many different hardware things to consider while developing  :-)

    //EDIT : oh and removing the check at "use all monitors" also saves VRAM ... really nice !

    [ Editiert durch SkulleateR 31.05.2026 - 14:44 ]
  • »31.05.26 - 13:36
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    SkulleateR wrote:


    Nope, I had to remove double/triple buffering for screens and everything is smooth again  :-)



    Oh, you just fixed one culprit to the point you just don't notice the other.

    Did put my G5 with the 256MG 9600 on 3.20 release and I always get a full Ambient with 1 monitor regardless of port.
    But depending on which port I used when booting I either get a mirrored image or that empty Ambient screen if I move the plug on the running system.
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  • Order of the Butterfly
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    Posts: 274 from 2004/4/3
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    On my amigaOne X5000 and with a PNY static/electronic drive I get an error at the end of the install. It says that it failed and there is or would be a problem of directory. But I ignored this message and rebooted without any problem. On Friday or Thursday Cyfm spoke about a new filestystem and possibility to choowse a new block size, maybe 2048. In hdconfig I see sfs2. Do I,would I, or should I use it instead of sfs ? For the block size 2048 or more ? What about the number of buffers, still 128 mb or more ?

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  • Yokemate of Keyboards
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    Posts: 2085 from 2003/6/4
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    Piru schrieb:
    @Zylesia

    This is odd. You could possibly try disabling HTTP/2 and HTTP/3 from settings and see if that makes any different - it should not, however.

    I am unable to see such issues in my local testing (but this of course is not a proof of anything).

    Does the same issue not happen with Wayfarer from https://wayfarer.icu/ ?


    11.2 does work. Also tried to launch 11.3 directly from the mounted iso and that one does show also said behaiviour, too. md5 of the iso is correct.
    1st I tried a fresh installation of Wayfarer 11.2. If I exchange the binary to th e11.3 binary it fails.
    I upgraded my mac mini then and did it the other way round there: 11.3 failed,but if I copy the pure 11.2 binary to the customized wayfarer drawer it works. Somehow the 11.3 binary does not like my 3.20 systems. 11.3 is idle, cpu load is low.the mini is on ethernet, the others on WLAN.

    Kind of strange that it is on three of my systems (I skip my 4th for this as that is an Efika...). They are moreor less precise copiesof each other.
    With 11.2 it works and eventually that is what matters, though I would like to know what#s the actual issue....
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    SkulleateR wrote:


    //EDIT : oh and removing the check at "use all monitors" also saves VRAM ... really nice !

    [ Editiert durch SkulleateR 31.05.2026 - 14:44 ]


    Well yeah, that forces both ports to be mirrored and avoids the hidden/empty screen.
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