Well I just got a nasty message from the Mailing List Nannies and they did not post my message to the list and want me to limit my promotion of MorphOS to private emails, or just a line of my signature.

I have never been a member of a list that is so uptight and restrictive, but that is their choice.

[ Edited by amigadave 07.01.2012 - 07:40 ]

Edit: amigadave edited his post while I was writing my reply to it, so please take it now as a reply to http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list/msg/38a0a5da36266322 instead :-)
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> On Jan 6, 2012, at 5:14 PM, Len Gerstel wrote: [...]
>> *nix talk is allowed

Too bad that MorphOS is not a "*nix" ;-)

> It was a clunky solution and came too late, as Commodore was already on
> the ropes and about to go bankrupt

The PowerUP accelerator boards were only released 3 years after Commodore went bust.

> It was first hoped that the new owner of the Amiga IP would buy their work

I think it was more about licensing the OS than buying it.

> All G4 PowerMac's with AGP video card slots that are 500MHz or faster
> (might even work on 400MHz & faster models)

I'm not aware of any CPU clock frequency restrictions. MorphOS' requirement with the PowerMacs is the AGP slot, so the slowest supported model is the 350 MHz "Sawtooth" (AGP Graphics), which is a fact you still knew only 2 weeks before.

> The models that will be supported are model 1107, 1109

There's no 1109 model. I guess you mean 1106 instead.

> 1138 & 1139, which are all 1.67GHz G4 PowerBooks

1106 comes as 1.67 or 1.5 GHz, and both of them are to be supported.

http://www.everymac.com/ultimate-mac-lookup/?search_keywords=A1106

> MorphOS only supports Radeon video cards in G4 Mac models, so if you
> have an older G4 PowerMac that has a different AGP video card, it would
> need to be swapped for one of the supported Radeon video cards to be able
> to run MorphOS on that system.

Not true. MorphOS also supports (in 2D mode) Rage 128 cards many of those older systems (i.e. pre-QuickSilver) came with.

> the MorphOS Development Team has stated that no work on a version to
> support G5 computers will be done until they are finished supporting all
> of the G4 Mac computer models that make sense to support is completed.

And even then they may decide to not pursue the G5 road:

"Power Mac G5, we'll see if it's worth to support them or not."
https://morph.zone/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?topic_id=8121&forum=9&start=18

This is the most recent statement of a MorphOS Team member regarding G5 support that I'm aware of.

> MorphOS [...] used to be free until about 4 or 5 years ago

Almost. MorphOS 2.0 was released 3.5 years ago.

> with Apple and all third party software developers abandoning your
> PowerPC Mac computers, isn't it nice to know that there is one group
> of users and developers who are still supporting G4 Mac computers?

You make it sound like MorphOS is the only OS still supporting G4 Macs, which is far from the truth. Various Linux and BSD distributions are still being developed for PPC Macs, including G4 ones.

[ Edited by Andreas_Wolf 08.01.2012 - 17:15 ]

A couple of points, I don't want to be too negative, but..

1: the whole (removed) post was a bit TL:DR. Just keep it snappy, "it's based on Amiga, it's free to try, runs off a live-CD, runs on blah-blah. I like it, you might like it, why not try it out? Any other questions, just ask"

2: We've all met the linux, err. 'enthusiast', you know the type, often uses 'M$', lies about how terrible Windows and MacOS is, lies about how good Linux is.. Well don't be like that, please.

But it does seems a bit harsh to post the message.

>It is usable software agnostic.

Apparently not.
Nice try David.

It looks like my message made it to the list, but I did not receive it. Very strange, as I have received all of the other messages that I have sent. Either that, or there are a half dozen List Nannies and they all responded to the list with 4 out of 6 of them not liking my message.

If that were the ratio of people that did not like the posting on that list, I would be very happy, as I would suspect that a much higher ratio of Mac users would be dead set against anything remotely related to the Amiga.

I agree the message was too long and I was trying to convey too much information for the few members who had shown an interest. I will keep my promotion limited to a signature line and contacting owners of G4 Mac's off the list from now on.

> I would suspect that a much higher ratio of Mac users would be
> dead set against anything remotely related to the Amiga.

Having read all the replies to your message on that list, to me it seems more like the commercial nature of MorphOS being the main reason for the negative reactions than its Amiga(OS) relatedness. So I guess promoting a free non-Apple OS (AmigaOS-related or not) would have caused less uproar, or even none at all.

As it seems, a certain caustic tone or atmosphere are not exculsively specific for the Amiga community. It's pretty much the same everywhere people get together online. Or, as D.A. put it: "People are the problem."

But respect to @Dave for the effort and the beatings taken.

Some of these people must find themselves really smart with words like "craptacular " and as such ...

Good idea to post about MorphOS on that list. the post was a bit too long though.
And maybe it's better not to say that you like to promote MorphOS, but rather ask the ppl on the list like - "ppl, have you heard about MorphOS? It's said to be cool and fun and runs on the g4 maschines". Add a link to two, three screenshost, a youtube video, to this forum and www.morphos.de and be done.

@Andreas_Wolf:
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Actually, MorphOS was never "free". It came bundled with hardware, which you paid hard cash for. Even the "free" PowerUP Edition can be considered as a "late" bundle, or software upgrade for these cards. Not like if it makes a big difference from user's POV, but still, good to keep in mind. Since 2.0, no hardware comes with MorphOS, so you have to pay for it separately.

However, I think this slightly different wording makes a huge difference how the audience reacts to the price, when you try to promote MorphOS. (Talking from experience.)