The Efika MX Smartbook is coming...
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    takemehomegrandma
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    Developers and other "pilot entities" who so far have had to put up with to use various developer editions of the hardware, may next week get access to the real deal:

    http://bbrv.blogspot.com/2010/02/efika-mx-smartbook.html

    The Efika MX Smartbook gets one step closer to commercial consumer release!

    :-)
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  • Caterpillar
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    it won't run morphos so what's the point? :-?
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    at least let me keep the latest version
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    "We will have more than Linux running on this machine"

    Intresting, but I suspect not MorphOS...
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  • ASiegel
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    No, of course not.
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  • Order of the Butterfly
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    Probably some ARM OS, like NetBSD or maybe even RISCOS?
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    > Probably some ARM OS, like NetBSD or maybe even RISCOS?

    I suspect one of those:

    http://www.powerdeveloper.org/project/imx515/735
    http://www.powerdeveloper.org/project/imx515/751
    http://www.powerdeveloper.org/project/imx515/768

    Because of "more than Linux" it probably won't be one of those:

    http://www.powerdeveloper.org/project/imx515/736
    http://www.powerdeveloper.org/project/imx515/740

    ;-)
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  • Paladin of the Pegasos
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    Android, ChromeOS, probably
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    > Android, ChromeOS, probably

    Both build upon Linux. Besides it would rather be Chromium than Chrome :-)
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    takemehomegrandma
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    Quote:


    SoundSquare wrote:
    Android, ChromeOS, probably


    Google ChromeOS is a given. The specs and ambitions of that OS can very well be used as a *definition* of the term "Netbook":

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0QRO3gKj3qw
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    Quote:


    Andreas_Wolf wrote:
    > Android, ChromeOS, probably

    Both build upon Linux.


    From a marketing perspective (and practically most other perspectives as well, except the pure "under the hood technological perspective" that no consumer really cares about), that is nothing but semantics.
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    > that is nothing but semantics.

    I referred to BBRV's "We will have more than Linux running" and interpreted it as "something besides Linux that is not Linux (in any way)". But it may very well also be meant as "Linux (kernel) plus X" and thus include Android and ChromiumOS. Only BBRV know :-)
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  • Butterfly
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    If it runs RiscOS, then sign me up for one!
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    Quote:


    metalmac wrote:
    If it runs RiscOS, then sign me up for one!


    Maybe it will, there was at least talks about it some time ago. And personally I hope that Haiku will make it all the way... :-)
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  • Paladin of the Pegasos
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    once gain it's coming too late and even if Genesi was ahead of its time with the Efika considering what happened next with netbooks and nettops, i think there is no market for a netbook that doesn't run windows or OSX.
    ChromeOS/GoogleOS/Chromium is a nice effort but i don't think it will get any success on the netbooks. Netbooks are computers, people want an OS they are familiar with, it's different on telephones/smartphones where people are used to switch between different OSes when they change their telephone.
    The only way to make people switch from windows on netbooks is to make them less "computerish", like Apple did with the iPad. ChromeOS would definately have success on a tablet device, cause people don't associate it with a computer, but more like a smartphone.
    I'm not telling the truth or playing the oracle, just my useless opinion.



    [ Edited by SoundSquare on 2010/2/7 11:33 ]
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  • Yokemate of Keyboards
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    > there was at least talks about it some time ago.

    http://www.powerdeveloper.org/forums/viewtopic.php?p=12656#12656

    Did anything come out of it?
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  • Cocoon
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    Quote:


    Andreas_Wolf wrote:
    > there was at least talks about it some time ago.

    http://www.powerdeveloper.org/forums/viewtopic.php?p=12656#12656

    Did anything come out of it?


    Not yet, but the RISC OS community really needs it .. drobe went into archive mode last year.

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    takemehomegrandma
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    @SoundSquare

    I agree that it probably is confusing for the general consumer that netbooks *looks* like real laptops, while their purpose and ambition clearly is something different than the ones of laptops.

    I think this affects peoples opinions of "mini laptops" (as they are generally marketed as here, by the major consumer electronic reseller giants and phone operators). According to this survey, "Performance, display & features/accessories are the most important laptop product attributes".

    I'm sure netbook manufacturers would have liked the focus in consumers mind to have been elsewhere for *their* products, but unfortunately when people looks at a netbook, they actually see a laptop (only smaller). This misconception only gets worse by the fact that it uses the laptops OS, UI and Applications.

    As a result, the netbooks are erroneously measured and compared by the *laptops* benchmark units, and it's only because of that you see results like: "While performance is the #1 attribute driving laptop advocacy, the performance Net Advocacy for the Netbooks product category is predominantly negative."

    The Pegatron/Genesi netbook (as will all other ARM based netbooks) will try to hammer in a new product category brand for themselves -- the Smartbook. I see this as a try to distance it from the current Atom based ones with all their limitation, and to highlight the strengths and benefits of ARM technology. The "netbook" brand is too polluted by laptop values, and those values are working *against* it. It's a good thing to distance away from that. At least worth the try.

    And then Google ChromeOS will (when it gets here) furthermore help distancing the Smartbook away from laptops, by steering the consumers focus towards the core purpose and areas of use for a Smartbook instead. This can only bee good. And it can easily be done, much thanks to Google being a super brand, a trade mark everyone knows and mentally buys into without hesitation.

    Question is if this will be enough? Steve Jobs has on numerous occasions proclaimed that he doesn't look at the netbooks as something viable. And as it turned out, Apple is taking their own path into this market, and distance itself away from laptops/netbooks not only by a new product category brand, but most of all a new physical shape of the product.

    I wrote the following on a different site, quite some time ago:

    "I think people are getting confused by netbooks looking like *real laptops*, and maybe Apple will set things straight and show the way with *their* definition of "netbooks" (see below). Xraale said in another thread: "End-users don't care as long as it gets them onto facebook and it's cheap". I think this is boils down the essence of "Netbooks", and it corresponds perfectly well with *Google's* definition, outlined by their Chromium OS:

    ChromeOS Video

    Watch that clip. It's good, and serves as a very good definition of the word "Netbook" IMHO.

    Here is an interesting (but a little old) article about ARM and Apple:

    Computerworld Article

    A quote from Steve Jobs in the above article, reveals that Apple sees the iPhone as an entry to the "Netbook" market.

    IMHO Steve Jobs is quite right there. What *he* sees, is the "Core Product" (i.e. the *benefit*, it's a term from the (IMHO) most important model in marketing, anyone can google it): The iPhone does exactly what you want a netbook to do!

    A logical continuation to this, would be the tablet device, i.e. everything the iPhone is, but *even more* media/Internet centric, and with a bigger touchscreen. I think this will be the Apple "Netbook", I don't think they will confuse the consumers by making it look like a laptop."


    And voil?, the iPad was released! It's doing what you would like a netbook to do, all day. But nobody will confuse it with a laptop.

    Apple has taken the lead, but more will follow.

    You can easily build a tablet device from the Smartbook reference design, based on the very same i.MX515 chip that's inside the new ARM Efika products. Freescale even posted some pictures of potential products with a Tablet form factor:

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    And here is a video presentation of the concept:

    YouTube presentation

    The building blocks are there. I think what they have been waiting for is for the i.MX515 SoC to become polished enough for real products. And judging by the subject of this thread, I think it may be the case now. I don't know what's holding back a release, probably the SW/OS/Driver side of things...

    But it seems like it's getting there! :-)

    (Edit: Hmm, I'm pretty sure there should be some images visible here, I even submitted the URL's through the "insert image" icon instead of typing the markup myself. Where did I go wrong? :-?)

    [ Edited by takemehomegrandma on 2010/2/8 10:06 ]
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