So check this out:

Boromir and Catapults: That's Just Retarded

If in wrong section, feel free to move

If things don't get better on the Mos side, I believe many will move... but that would have to be after OS4 is more mature (close to finished), and or Micro a1 has G4 cpu's in the 1.0 ghz or better range.

Only time will tell...

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Betcha with all the trouble they had with the SE and XE and now the uA1 has only a G3 that they can't reliably run a G4 for the same reasons that the Peg1 cant - Articia. So they'll have to have a G4 and a different northbridge (which is impossible because of who makes the boards) for me to even consider switching. Suspect that the uA1 has a G3 because the design is broken. No...it won't be an A1 for me...mac is the way to go.

[ Edited by DSLCC on 2005/1/19 8:06 ]

Thanks DSLCC,

I was trying to imply my suspicions without being argumentative... I try to say as much as possible without spelling things out. I think it is good for some people, it forces them to think about topics and make their own judgements. Too much spoon feeding in the world today

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The G4 processor runs perfectly well with the XE and does not require a different northbridge. The majority of XEs are G4 and they work fine and crunch dnetc using altivec on AmigaOS version 4.

There are enough rumours flying around without inventing more.

Treebeard is correct, the XE's run G4's @ 800 or 933 mhz currently... I believe the Microa1 is an even better design, so it should have no problem with a 1.33 or 1.42 mhz G4.

Personally for dnetc I would love for someone to write an altivec library for Mos that dnet would support. then I would be content, for now...

Seems odd that they discontinued the model then.

To me the XE does not work fine. Cannot use onboard ethernet and onboard IDE at the same time with DMA enabled - a serious flaw that wastes a PCI slot. USB hardware manufacturing problem, onboard audio has never worked - another serious design flaw that wastes a second PCI slot. The board was discontinued in part due to those problems and lack of sufficient sales to justify production of the board.

End result: there is no G4 solution available.

Some folks wish to do more than just run dnetc.

Read this thread for starters.

I'm not saying that they don't run with G4's. Obviously they do. But the board is flawed and discontinued. So there is no G4 A1 currently available for sale.

[ Edited by DSLCC on 2005/1/19 8:41 ]

You are correct Dnetc is only one app. Yes I know the A1XE was flawed. but I was talking about the MicroA1 as being the present and future board that might get a G4 upgrade.

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Sorry you don't seem to have much of a clue about the subject.

You CAN use onboard ethernet with DMA enabled you just cannot use the onboard IDE controller with DMA enabled at the _same time_ as on board ethernet. Using a plug in IDE card with DMA enabled at the same time as DMA ethernet works fine.

The onboard AC97 sound chip never worked and was removed in the second back of A1XEs.

The onboard USB does not work properly due to a layout problem that occurred in the factory ( capacitors used instead of resistors ).

The XE problems occur regardless of G4 or G3 used and the ArticiaS clearly works with DMA for one device or more ( excluding onboard IDE ) because it is used by hundreds of AmigaOS users every day!

The XE was discontinued for two reasons, first reason was the manufacturing problems that had occurred - they needed to be fixed before they would undergo another production run.

The second was the money floating around in the Amiga market is sufficient only to support one board at a time in realistic numbers.

Therefore the uA1 was fixed ready for its consumer revision and produced for sale. At the moment it is unknown if there will be any further XEs produced.

Unlike the Pegasos1 if you take a meg-array'd G4 and plug it into an XE that had a G3 in it and fiddle with a few jumpers it works. If anyone has a spare G4 in a meg-array'd state I will try it in my uA1.

Not only did the Pegasos 1 have the earlier revision Articia-S, but it was flawed in other ways too not least it was near impossible to get a G4 working on the Pegasos 1.

You drew the relationship between G4/G3 and the problems with the XE and I am telling you that you are wrong to do so and why.


[ Edited by TreeBeard on 2005/1/19 15:05 ]

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And that would be fine if it works that way.

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Exactly ... the only G4 solution to date is a flawed board.

I'll fix my post to say what I meant to say in the first place. Thanks for the input.

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You could only try that with an A1/Teron-module as Apple-CPU-modules are are just as comaptible as Pentium2-Slot1 or Athlon-SlotA are with the Pegasos...

And now who says that the A1-X4-G4 weren't "paired" with the G4-CPUs in a similar way as with the Peg1-G4 ? Who says that the rumoured cache-coherency-patch done to the Articias on the MikroA1s won't affect it's abiltiy to run with a G4 (and if this patch is just a rumour, the mikroA1 is just as broken-by-design as earlier models)? And what use is a G4 anway when the northbridge can't copy with the bandwidth ?

Why should anybody switch from a better and better supported board to an inferior overpriced piece of relabeled HW with "virtual" costumer-support ?

The Peg2 does look quite bad if you compare it the new Mac-Mini on a bang/$ relation, but the A1s are just waaaaaay out of line.

@Kronos

I think TreeBeard didn't mean everybody to change to AmigaOne he just pointed out that the microA1 didn't have the fault DSLCC said. But who am I to complain I don't even own a A1 or a Peg so...

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I'm betting there will be some Pegasos-machines in the "used computers"-market pretty soon.. go get yours

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Actually he's nitpicking. :) The XE is a flawed board, as he admits, and currently is the only G4 solution. The uA1 does not yet have a G4 available, and only time will tell what happens. What I said was not meant to be absolute fact, but a hunch.

The main point being that PegII users are not going to dump their PegII for a lower powered higher priced board that may or may not ever have a G4. That is all I was saying.

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Because A1-XEs have had their modules swapped over.

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What cache-coherency patch? Rumours are just rumours.

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Only for use with an unpatched Linux, with AOS4 it is not an issue as has been explained in detail to you many times over. So who gives a fig about that?

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Stuff runs faster with a G4. With a G3 at 800Mhz the read/write speed is lower than the G4 at 800MHz. Therefore it is not saturated by a G3.

Oh and Pegasos users are already buying micro-A1s. Not everyone pays too much attention to FUD.

@Treebeard

Amiga-market is not enough to get production-numbers to reasonable height, surely not enough to create a new NB and maybe not even enough to produce another batch of Articias......

And you can just positivly forget about selling any of these boards outside "Amiga" aslong as they require a special version of linux.

Bout G3/G4 didn't some of the "reds" claim that the 750FX would be faster than a G4 on some actions ? It's obviously close enough to make rather little difference.

And yes single users are buying A1s, but they are obviously a rather small minority.

@all
lol, but what about the catapults

Oh...yeah! The catapults! Very fitting....and funny.

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I don't like what's been happening either (obviously not through first hand experience). Ah well, I guess no thanks for trying.

@Bodie_CI5

The cool thing is life goes on. It'll be boring just using my Mac...but you know that there has been over 10,000 programs written for OS X since its release, so it will keep me entertained for a short while. :)

Very funny gif
Ehi Boromir isn't stupid, he is my favorite character of the saga.

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My XE is working perfectly, USB, UDMA..... The new XE (if they will be produced again...) will not have any problems, and you can get the fix already now. The only thing that don't work for real is the ac97... but i don't need it.

The price is high anyway, you're right.
Eyetech is now producing only MicroA1s.... and imho is a wrong chioce because there is no full size, expandable model right now.