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  • Priest of the Order of the Butterfly
    Priest of the Order of the Butterfly
    ernsteiswuerfel
    Posts: 567 from 2015/6/18
    From: Funeralopolis
    Thanks for sharing @Andreas_Wolf!

    Good to hear news from Solid Silicon S1! This will be the CPU powering Raptors upcoming Blackbird II & Talos III series (klick).

    PCIe 5.0, DDR5 RAM, SMT-4, Bi-Endian, 32/64bit does not sound shabby either. Also looks like Power ISA 3.1C does not deprecate any features over the POWER9 so it should run G4/G5/POWER9 built code just fine.
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  • Yokemate of Keyboards
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    Andreas_Wolf
    Posts: 12282 from 2003/5/22
    From: Germany
    > Solid Silicon S1 […] will be the CPU powering Raptors upcoming
    > Blackbird II & Talos III series (klick).

    Yes, see comment #240 :-)

    > looks like Power ISA 3.1C does not deprecate any features over the
    > POWER9 so it should run G4/G5/POWER9 built code just fine.

    I'm not sure if S1 will implement 3.1C or an older/newer specification. What we know at least is that Power11 will necessarily implement the same ISA spec as Power10 (see comment #248), which should be 3.1B.
  • »28.05.24 - 21:25
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  • Priest of the Order of the Butterfly
    Priest of the Order of the Butterfly
    ernsteiswuerfel
    Posts: 567 from 2015/6/18
    From: Funeralopolis
    Thanks for the update Andreas!

    Unfortunately this new info says nothing concrete at all about the actual S1 CPU cores or the current state of development...
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  • Yokemate of Keyboards
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    Andreas_Wolf
    Posts: 12282 from 2003/5/22
    From: Germany
    Addendum:

    >> Unfortunately this new info says nothing concrete at all about
    >> the actual S1 CPU cores or the current state of development...

    > "there will be opensource Power10-compatible CPUs available. [...]
    > Solid Silicon [...] promises to deliver these new opensource Power10 CPUs."
    > https://blog.power-devops.com/p/if-you-are-in-the-us-you-probably

    Page 12 of this presentation has some info on the S1 CPU (probably taken from Solid Silicon's TechXchange slides, which I so far haven't found a public link to), which say that it will have 18 or 30 Power10 cores. To me this seems to indicate that there's been no CPU core development at Solid Silicon, which isn't necessarily a bad thing as IBM cores' reliability couldn't be matched anyway. This would leave the on-chip controllers or even just their firmware as points of differentiation from IBM Power10 CPUs (as well as non-technical matters like price, availability etc., of course).
  • »10.11.24 - 10:50
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  • Priest of the Order of the Butterfly
    Priest of the Order of the Butterfly
    vox
    Posts: 616 from 2003/11/25
    From: Belgrade
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    Its great news IF it results in:

    a) Cheap single core latest POWER derived CPU we could use to replace G5
    b) Cheap X4 and x8 core POWER derivates
    c) PPC32 to PPC64 FPGA cores as backup solution if all PC Sillicons die

    I hope there are interestees and such licences are possible.
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  • »24.11.24 - 16:14
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  • Yokemate of Keyboards
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    Andreas_Wolf
    Posts: 12282 from 2003/5/22
    From: Germany
    >> IBM Opens Up POWER Architecture For Licensing

    > Its great news […]

    No, it's from 2013, and its purpose has since then substantially changed from just licensing the POWER/Power microarchitecture (at cost) to also licensing the Power ISA (free of charge).

    > IF it results in:
    > a) Cheap single core latest POWER derived CPU we could use to replace G5

    Single-core CPU derived from POWER9 or Power10 won't happen. Even the last G5 (PPC970MP) wasn't single-core any more.

    > b) Cheap X4 and x8 core POWER derivates

    Those wouldn't have to be derived from POWER/Power microarchitecture. Since 2020, it's possible to license the Power ISA v3.0C (or later) free of charge and develop a core/microarchitecture implementing the ISA.

    > c) PPC32 to PPC64 FPGA cores as backup solution if all PC Sillicons die

    Microwatt has been there for years.

    > I hope there are interestees and such licences are possible.

    I recommend to read not just the initial posting but also the thread (which you probably did to some extent seeing you already took part in it twice before) to learn what happened since 2013, especially regarding licensing of the POWER/Power microarchitecture and of the Power ISA.
  • »24.11.24 - 16:54
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