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Cross-platform bounty for office-port?

Megander

# 26
Butterfly

Posts: 85 from 2011/11/28

Working now on more serious tasks with MS Office 2010 and LibreOffice on my Windows systems (which I hope can be replaced entirely by MorphOS machines some day), I came to the conclusion that it does not matter what a MOS office programme is called or where its origin is. What really would be invaluable is the support of a file format that is understood by the quasi-standard software in the ouside world. So, the file format supported should be OpenDocument in my non-expert opinion. Libre-/OpenOffice can open and save files in .odf, as can MS Office.

But then I know the limitations of a small community like ours. Who? When? How Long? How much? etc. I just wanted to express a thought without making a demand of it. All I could contribute anyway is just a little money.
»24.01.12 - 08:12

xyphoid

# 27
Priest of the Order of the Butterfly

Posts: 870 from 2008/7/11

From: Delaware, USA

I would commit to $200 US if the SOB could be done...then pay $125 for the goddam key!
We already got parts of office packages, pdf reader, point rider, ODG-viewer, all these readers/veiwes, no actual
program to create office type docs..........Really sad though! Wish I stuck with programming through HS!
»24.01.12 - 22:47

matt3

# 28
Priest of the Order of the Butterfly

Posts: 698 from 2004/2/10

If your going to merge existing applications together.

I would recommend
Turbocalc over ignition (assuming author plays along)

Turbocalc is much much more usable and functional.
»25.01.12 - 01:05

Andreas_Wolf

# 29
Yokemate of Keyboards

Posts: 12157 from 2003/5/22

From: Germany

> I would recommend Turbocalc over ignition [...]
> Turbocalc is much much more usable and functional.

...but is written in m68k ASM* whereas Ignition is in C.

* more info:
http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=37033&forum=2&start=80#693036

[ Edited by Andreas_Wolf 25.12.2012 - 02:56 ]
»25.01.12 - 06:05

SoundSquare

# 30
Paladin of the Pegasos

Posts: 1213 from 2004/12/1

From: Paris, France

Quote:

Titan? You seem to have missed this story for many years. Titan has pissed and betrayed us all. We bought Papyrus for a very high price, and all we got was a faulty foulish full of bugs BETA version with a builtin timeout date which makes it no more usuable for years now. He sold BETA versions as full versions and never ever delivered a fix for this. All he did was saying "yes, there will come an update" ... "you can just return the clock of your computer to 2005 and the program will still work" .. "the update is almost there" ... "everyone who asks me will get the update for free immediately" ... which he NEVER EVER delivered to anybody.

He still owes us a fully working version. But don't cound on this betrayer. He answers all the same phrases for years "the developer machine is dead and must be replaced" ... "the developer is on vacaation" ... "the developer is ill" ... "we need a veeeeeryyyyy rare part of the machine to be replaced, until that we cannot continue development" ... "we are waiting for the replacement parts for the machine" ... blablabla ... the exactly same phrases for years again and again. He betrayed us all and now he sits it out. Not answering mails, delayed answering if you ask again and get into details and all the same stuff again. For every offer or fact you tell him he will dig out another fairytale. Be it intentional or not: at latest since the time that he knows that the software he sold was not a full version but only a BETA version he is in charge to deliver as he is bound by contract. As he knows this, as he does not, as he minds up fairytales one after another just to NOT deliver, he is a betrayer. I would definitely NOT make any business with this man if I were you. You doubt my words? Look for it. There are many many proofs to find of many many Papyrus buyers in the web fora and mailing lists.

and nobody ever thought about suing him ?
»25.01.12 - 09:15

Rodomoc

# 31
Butterfly

Posts: 80 from 2009/1/19

How about a Morph bounty only? I see the other people already have their own solution in place. Why waste time on duplicating? Stick to Morph only. If others want it, let them deal with any released sources and make their own release.

What do Morph developers think the best package is to port over to Morph? What extra things are there to worry about? (supporting layers like the other people use) Do we first need bounties for any supporting layers, then do an office package bounty? Is it possible (at much greater effort of course) to make a more native version?

For starters I would suggest word processor + spreadsheet + database.
A huge task to say the least, anyone up to it + be willing to support it past initial release?

Have cash, let's do it. The reasoning is simple. MorphOS is at a level of maturity in many regards. It is time for this sort of thing. Morph + current software + this new office suite = real good system for anybody. And of course make the office release better than others. In the same fashion OWB on Morph is so good. Keep up the tradition of Morph being the platform that does things 'right'.

[ Edited by Rodomoc 05.02.2012 - 11:07 ]
»05.02.12 - 17:03

Jim

# 32
Yokemate of Keyboards

Posts: 4977 from 2009/1/28

From: Delaware, USA

So far, the problem has been that people have either suggested an update of an older Amiga program or a port of an open source program (that frequently requires the use of something masive, that we don't have, like Java).

I don't even need an entire office package. A good word processor that can import and export common formats would be enough for me.
"Never attribute to malice what can more readily explained by incompetence"
»05.02.12 - 21:54

connor

# 33
Priest of the Order of the Butterfly

Posts: 570 from 2007/7/29

> and nobody ever thought about suing him ?

Yes, we all were too naive and believed this excuses. This way he can still spread his lies and tell he delivered updates and all people who asked for it got it. In fact nobody ever got anything. I don't know if it is still possible to sue him or if it is too late (time-barred).
»27.03.12 - 16:19

takemehomegrandma

# 34
Yokemate of Keyboards

Posts: 2720 from 2003/2/24

Quote:

why not papyrus office? maybe a bounty or pizza money would tempt the devs back?

I think the MorphOS Team should put an offer to buy it out, and continue the development themselves...!
MorphOS is Amiga done right!
MorphOS NG will be AROS done right!
»30.03.12 - 08:31

thefab

# 35
Butterfly

Posts: 92 from 2003/8/19

From: dtc

It's not up to morphos team to buy an office application, given the amount of money users spent in papyrus buggy beta, i think the morphos code should simply be opened to the morphos community.

[ Edited by thefab 30.03.2012 - 08:03 ]
»30.03.12 - 09:03

OlafSch

# 36
Order of the Butterfly

Posts: 186 from 2011/11/16

Titan is not the owner of Papyrus so he cannot open the source (even if he wanted). It is a product still developed and sold for Mac and Windows:

http://www.papyrus.de/
»30.03.12 - 09:18

Andreas_Wolf

# 37
Yokemate of Keyboards

Posts: 12157 from 2003/5/22

From: Germany

> I think the MorphOS Team should put an offer to buy it out,
> and continue the development themselves...!

Buying out the source code of the OS3/MorphOS version(s) from Titan might not suffice, I'm afraid.

https://morph.zone/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?forum=32&topic_id=7039&start=37
»30.03.12 - 09:35

ShInKurO

# 38
Caterpillar

Posts: 36 from 2008/5/30

Senselesss: all big apps are migrating to web-app style, see googledocs, so IMO it would be better to give money to fab, Webkit should be become a MUI Class, so each MUI application could use it... a sort of HTMLView "reboot".
In this way a web-app could have a MUI UI like OWB for Webkit...
»01.04.12 - 08:19

Andreas_Wolf

# 39
Yokemate of Keyboards

Posts: 12157 from 2003/5/22

From: Germany

> In this way a web-app could have a MUI UI like OWB for Webkit...

Unfortunately, this wouldn't make the web application use MUI for its controls located inside the web view. One option to work around this flaw would be to use CSS in a way that it imitates the look and feel of MUI (like this proof of concept by ASiegel). Problem would still be that such CSS wouldn't synchronize automatically when MUI settings are changed in the OS.
»01.04.12 - 09:24

connor

# 40
Priest of the Order of the Butterfly

Posts: 570 from 2007/7/29

takemehomegrandma,
Quote:

I think the MorphOS Team should put an offer to buy it out, and continue the development themselves...!

regarding the history of all Titan lies and fraud it would be totally grotesque and stupid to give him anything. Everything would be too much, even one single penny. He owes us a working version for years, so there is nothing he ever deserves.
Apart from that, we are still waiting for MOS3 and MOS Team has no time for other projects (they often said). Them having the source would just mean more delay - either of MOS3 or Papyrus.
»03.04.12 - 17:07

Andreas_Wolf

# 41
Yokemate of Keyboards

Posts: 12157 from 2003/5/22

From: Germany

> regarding the history of all Titan lies and fraud it would be totally grotesque and
> stupid to give him anything. Everything would be too much, even one single penny.
> He owes us a working version for years, so there is nothing he ever deserves.

Interesting postings from 7 months ago by R.O.M. Logicware (the Papyrus source code licensor) about Titan and the AmigaOS and MorphOS versions of Papyrus (German, sorry):

http://www.heise.de/forum/p-24038141/
http://www.heise.de/forum/p-24039931/

Also, some info on the actual porting developer Milan Golubović:

"Programmer by contract
Titan computers, Germany
May 1999 – May 2004 [...]
C programming - porting of Papyrus office DTP package from Mac to AmigaOS"
https://www.linkedin.com/in/golubovicm
»14.07.16 - 22:13