Yep I am with you regarding the big number .

But to be honest my 1000+ users contributed by donating or buying hard or software and the talk to me which is more worth IMO than 1000 "can we port mos to arm" questions or 5years talking about atihd drivers in another camp.

1000 is a good number I can work with.
The AppStore has 292 users (without those who lead to dead-ed emails -> will be removed later).

Being so small has many benefits...
The 1000 are people really interested in the stuff and willing to contribute.

They may have no English skills or other reasons not to join forums.
The can ask me, and if needed I forward the question directly to a dev or publically to a forum.

Whatever:
The benefit of a registering rule is that you know if people like it.
If you just put it on a website, you never know the real interest behind it.

I am always posting from time to time here and you can hardly count me as mos user ; )

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There is a valid point in that. Closed source development funded by Genesi works for MOS for now. Everyone has been happy so far. But how long are they going to support it? It's not that they have financial benefit out of it. License income won't fund the whole development. They must be paying piles of money into it. You also had paid bounties to get things other OSes enjoy out of the box. That's really huge commitment and it's just a hobby for most of you. PPC as a platform has no future, there will be no continuation of the CPU line.
I am just thinking about getting into Amiga stuff again. Have it as my second OS and a dev platform and I would like to know it's not going to dissapear. Aros is not my thing. I tried Icaros and if you want me to run an operating system on intel, I'd rather do linux. I am not going to buy Amiga kit for £2k either. Mac mini with MOS sounds like a good idea.
All of you here MOS enthusiasts, what is the future of your favourite OS?

Why is Icaros always the reason people dislike aros.

If Icaros would use ambient you wouldn't even see a difference between mos.

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What a typical user can do to check aros?
Install Icaros on a Virtual Box, run it to see it's not that appealing.
That's what put me off.

Aros is available as nightly.
The man behind Icaros added dopus as workbench replacement and a theme and icons....

This is his baby. Not aros.

There is also aspireos , Broadway and aeros on Intel.
All with own look and feel.

If you take aros and add ambient (which is the workbenchreplacement used in mos) you get the look and feel of mos.

Still aros but who cares what is running behind the wall.

Most people judge only with eyes and I still have not found a DVD-rw not working with fryingpan on aros : p

So teamMOS is free to do it that way.

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MorphOS development is funded by its developers and all registered users. Noone else.


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The PowerArchitecture (and POWER) is unlikely to entirely disappear anytime soon. The issue is that it is being used in very specific market segments requiring hardware designs that are not particularly suitable to be reused for desktop computing. It is anybody´s guess whether this will ever change.


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There are no guarantuees in the tech world. WebOS was backed by two multi-billion dollar companies during its life time as an operating system for mobile system. Within 2 years after its first release, WebOS was killed off and only recently repurposed for TVs.

Also, given Microsoft´s early success with their PocketPC platform, who would have guessed that they would lose their top spot in the mobile space to complete newcomers such as Google and relative newcomers like Apple (they had the Newton in the 90s)?

MorphOS is about enjoying a different way to interact with computers. If you do not appreciate what MorphOS is today and are only interested in what it may become one day, then it would be best to look elsewhere.

André can I hire You as pr man?
Seriously meant.

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I don't know if I quite agree here. Both have a set of tools largely based on same sources (gcc, make etc. - MorphOS even comes with scintilla-based editor, which I guess originated from unix side).

On linux, this environment pretty much IS the system. on MorphOS, it's somewhat separate, lots of amiga concepts (such as not having single filesystem, different paths, no users / groups etc.) don't fit it too well, so it's probably better keep that somewhat "separate". If you like, you can still use f.ex. ls instead of dir etc.

So where do the problems come in? Since the OS is rather small, there are lots of unported (some of which more or less unportable) libraries around. On linux, you can just do apt-get install ineedthis-dev, on MorphOS it might be more... complex (see aminet etc. if someone has ported it, search for sources, adapt them to MorphOS etc.)

But that's nothing that wouldn't concern f.ex. windows too.

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Even if niche, it doesn't make it automatically "bad". And compared to many other niche hobbies, it definitely doesn't cost too much (buy a compatible second hand PPC mac, you can even use the OS in demo mode)

@Marian

As Asiegel said Genesi isn't funding MorphOS and has not for a decade. Everything is made and maintained by the developers free time and licence money. They do this for fun, not world domination.

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What? No! What?

@geit

Sorry, a misspell. You don't do it for fun but for world domination!

>>> With a bit of vamos you can get it done on x86 as well.

>> Works only for command line programs.
>> http://lallafa.de/blog/amiga-projects/amitools/vamos/

> Yep in the form you know it .

...which is what's publicly known, unless I missed something.

> Closed source development funded by Genesi works for MOS for now.

Have you deliberately ignored my comment #11?

> They must be paying piles of money into it.

More like unpaid time.

> PPC as a platform has no future, there will be no continuation of the CPU line.

OpenPOWER thinks otherwise :-)

> if you want me to run an operating system on intel, I'd rather do linux.

Linux also runs on PPC and almost any other ISA ;-)

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Just missed it. Got it now, a group of skilled devs takes care of system development. It works for you and everyone is happy.

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Fair enough. Are you guys devs in daily jobs as well? If so, are you doing C and asm in your line of work? Just wondering if it still pays to be a C developer where pretty much every other company looks for java devs.

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That could work but in 2 years not much has happened, or have I missed something?

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Yeah it runs on my phone too. Software base on linux on PPC is too poor to bother, if you can run linux on cheap intel hardware.
My point is to maybe try MOS because it's very niche and could be fun.

> Are you guys devs in daily jobs as well?

I'm just a user and can't speak for any MorphOS Team member, but I guess that most of them are software developers by trade.

>>> PPC as a platform has no future, there will be no continuation of the CPU line.

>> OpenPOWER thinks otherwise :-)

> have I missed something?

Yes, the latest posting in the referred thread, which links to an article that involves an announcement of "continuation of the CPU line".

>>> if you want me to run an operating system on intel, I'd rather do linux.

>> Linux also runs on PPC and almost any other ISA ;-)

> Software base on linux on PPC is too poor to bother, if you can run linux on cheap intel hardware.

I was talking about Linux on PPC vs. MorphOS on PPC, rather than about Linux on PPC vs. Linux on x86(-64) :-)

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There is always demand for C developers. Not in application/desktop development but in the embedded industry. Asm only developers dont get paid. C developers who have asm sideskill fare better.

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>>>>> PPC as a platform has no future, there will be no continuation of the CPU line.

>>>> OpenPOWER thinks otherwise :-)

>>> have I missed something?

>> Yes, the latest posting in the referred thread, which links to an article that
>> involves an announcement of "continuation of the CPU line".

> I would still like to see a desktop machine running these. How many have
> you seen powered by Power8?

This is neither about desktop nor about POWER8, but about the "continuation of the CPU line". However, posting #72 in the referred thread might interest you.

> With such TDP you will watercool your Amiga in the future ;)

I'm sure the "continuation of the CPU line" is not dependent on anything Amiga.

Open Source is already available with AROS. However, I do not want MorphOS to become Open Source.

I had experienced that the Open Source or at least with AROS prefers the users to become coders and developers. I would enjoy being a developer for AROS or even MorphOS but I doubt very much I be able to.

MorphOS seems to be an OS designed for anybody wanting efficiency even if they are not a coder. I like the commercial nature of MorphOS and the closed source developers do impressive work. Let them continue to do impressive work and perhaps one day if needed to be open source, then it could be open source. I am probably wrong or misunderstood AROS, but I think if MorphOS becomes open source, it risks becoming disorganized unless becoming open source increases active developers.

If MorphOS ever needed more developers, perhaps they know some to recruit. This method preserves closed source MorphOS which seems to be effective.

I need sleep. ZzzZzzzZzzzzZzz..........

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AROS doesn't prefers the users to be anything per se. For an open source OS there are very few developers working on it, so usually you won't have anyone to fulfill your every request. This is why you have to get your hands dirty if you want something done, not because AROS wants you to become a developer.

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Actually, you don´t.

There are people who like to use DOpus on MorphOS who are surely able to tell the difference between, say, IcAros and MorphOS with ease.

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This is a low blow and, to me, a likely case of confirmation bias.

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I am always interested to discuss new opportunities and do appreciate when people consider or refer me. But this is obviously way off-topic...

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Honestly, the really is a shitty comment.
Trying to put a little spin on the discussion to discourage one of the people that has worked hard for our community, phoenixkonsole?

My critizism for open sourcing MorphOS has less to do with that open source is icky icky and more with not fixing things that aint broken.

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? I meant it serious. Where is your problem, except that it may be of topic.
You may not know it but i had sometime to do with Andé via email regarding other things.. so it was just meant as i wrote it.

Hiring = paying for something he is good at. And he is good at those things. And he has a brighter view over different things.