Eyecandy improvements on Ambient?
  • Priest of the Order of the Butterfly
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    Cego
    Posts: 733 from 2006/5/28
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    Hi there!

    i was wondering what y'all people out there think about this topic.
    In the past weeks i was asking myself if Ambient should be pimped up eyecandy wise, because to me it still partly feels like a 90ish desktop. I think more animation and effects would be better especially regarding the window gadgets and borders. I know that this means that more power is used but as efficient as morphos is, i think that wouldnt hurt too much - not since we got the best and fastest PPC hardware now. Ambient feels static and i think a more dynamic and flowing environment would do a great job in comfort.
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  • Paladin of the Pegasos
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    SoundSquare
    Posts: 1213 from 2004/12/1
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    useless cosmetics for me.
    I'd rather have the focus on useful stuff like multi-core, multi-users, integrated smbfs etc than eye-candy (candies makes you fat and spoil your teeth).
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  • Paladin of the Pegasos
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    Intuition
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    Eye-candy is sooooo 00's anyway. :)
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  • Fab
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    Fab
    Posts: 1331 from 2003/6/16
    @Cego,

    I assume you mean intuition and not Ambient, then.
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  • Acolyte of the Butterfly
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    Posts: 131 from 2012/6/14
    i agree with @SoundSquare, integrated functionality over looks.
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  • Priest of the Order of the Butterfly
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    bash64
    Posts: 958 from 2010/10/28
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    Eye candy is ok.
    However, I remember LCars. The star trek themes for Windows.
    The whole theme thing became boring fairly fast in the PC arena.
    Animated backgrounds would be nice though.
    Just to show off.
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  • Caterpillar
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    Roland
    Posts: 36 from 2013/2/10
    Eyecandy is nice to look at, but gets boring soon because 99.99% of the time you are not working with the eyecandy but with what ambient does. What I think would be nice is
    - Ambient having a routine where the copy operation is taken from either window it came from. If I drag and drop files from window A to B, I can close window B but A has to stay open. Why? A worker thread in the background can free the windows and do the job
    - NFS/SMB support would be nice, most of my media devices speak SMB but are out-of-reach. This could be done by the shell, but smarter would be a system daemon, so it also works in the CLI
    - Is it me or is selecting by dragging in ambient a little tricky?
    - Integrated viewers? When I double click a image MysticView opens, great, but how much extra work would it be to have an integrated viewer that simply shows the file, with the possibility for an override so you can go back to MysticView? (Or is it there and do I miss the configuration switch)

    I noticed Ambient source can be downloaded from sourceforge (some time ago). So the power for change is there.
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  • Paladin of the Pegasos
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    SoundSquare
    Posts: 1213 from 2004/12/1
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    Quote:

    I noticed Ambient source can be downloaded from sourceforge (some time ago). So the power for change is there.


    the morphOS community is full of ideas and interesting concepts but painfully lacks skilled developers. It's not really about what should be done but who will do it.
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    Henes
    Posts: 507 from 2003/6/14
    Roland,
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    Ambient having a routine where the copy operation is taken from either window it came from. If I drag and drop files from window A to B, I can close window B but A has to stay open. Why? A worker thread in the background can free the windows and do the job


    If you copy using the copy/paste feature (accessible through the right mouse button) then the source window can be closed.

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    Integrated viewers? When I double click a image MysticView opens, great, but how much extra work would it be to have an integrated viewer that simply shows the file, with the possibility for an override so you can go back to MysticView? (Or is it there and do I miss the configuration switch)

    Ambient already has built-in viewers for images, texts, audio files... You can try using the MorphOS BootCD.
    I guess you installed the Chrysalis pack which reconfigured everything in a different way.
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  • Priest of the Order of the Butterfly
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    boot_wb
    Posts: 874 from 2007/4/9
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    Roland wrote:
    Eyecandy is nice to look at, but gets boring soon because 99.99% of the time you are not working with the eyecandy but with what ambient does. What I think would be nice is
    - Ambient having a routine where the copy operation is taken from either window it came from. If I drag and drop files from window A to B, I can close window B but A has to stay open. Why? A worker thread in the background can free the windows and do the job


    Sys:prefs/ambient/advanced.conf

    Add (or remove the semicolon from) the line:
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    donotputrefwindowtosleep = true


    You may have to be careful with some synchronous operations (like deleting files from ref windo during copying) - Fab warned me thusly a long time ago, but I've never experienced any problems using this setting.

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    - NFS/SMB support would be nice, most of my media devices speak SMB but are out-of-reach. This could be done by the shell, but smarter would be a system daemon, so it also works in the CLI
    - Is it me or is selecting by dragging in ambient a little tricky?


    Tricky, but works well once you get used to the 'gesture' paradigm of being able to select and drag multiple files without multiple mouse-clicks.
    OSX isn't a million miles away in its select-drag function (something I struggled to get a grip with during my year of OSX usage).

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    - Integrated viewers? When I double click a image MysticView opens, great, but how much extra work would it be to have an integrated viewer that simply shows the file, with the possibility for an override so you can go back to MysticView? (Or is it there and do I miss the configuration switch)


    You can set up as many viewers for any (or all) picture formats in Ambient prefs>mimes. Either by double-click, or context menu.

    Hope that helps a little. :-)

    [ Edited by boot_wb 28.06.2013 - 09:22 ]
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  • jPV
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    Posts: 2096 from 2003/2/24
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    Roland,

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    - NFS/SMB support would be nice, most of my media devices speak SMB but are out-of-reach. This could be done by the shell, but smarter would be a system daemon, so it also works in the CLI


    You know that smbfs (3rd party 68k program) does work under MorphOS too? In limits of compatibility though... and some Amiga's NFS solutions probably too.

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    - Integrated viewers? When I double click a image MysticView opens, great, but how much extra work would it be to have an integrated viewer that simply shows the file, with the possibility for an override so you can go back to MysticView? (Or is it there and do I miss the configuration switch)



    It isn't using MysticView by default. On default setup images are viewed with internal viewer and you can select other (Multiview, Showgirls, MysticView) from right mousebutton context menus.

    And as said, you can configure any amount of optional viewers and other programs for each filetype or filetype group from Ambient's mime prefs. It's the most powerful feature of the Ambient and everyone should look and configure those for own preferences :)

    [ Edited by jPV 28.06.2013 - 11:42 ]
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  • Caterpillar
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    Roland
    Posts: 36 from 2013/2/10
    Thanks for the tips!
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  • Paladin of the Pegasos
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    Intuition
    Posts: 1110 from 2013/5/24
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    Quote:

    Roland wrote:
    Eyecandy is nice to look at, but gets boring soon because 99.99% of the time you are not working with the eyecandy but with what ambient does. What I think would be nice is
    - Ambient having a routine where the copy operation is taken from either window it came from. If I drag and drop files from window A to B, I can close window B but A has to stay open. Why? A worker thread in the background can free the windows and do the job
    - NFS/SMB support would be nice, most of my media devices speak SMB but are out-of-reach. This could be done by the shell, but smarter would be a system daemon, so it also works in the CLI
    - Is it me or is selecting by dragging in ambient a little tricky?
    - Integrated viewers? When I double click a image MysticView opens, great, but how much extra work would it be to have an integrated viewer that simply shows the file, with the possibility for an override so you can go back to MysticView? (Or is it there and do I miss the configuration switch)

    I noticed Ambient source can be downloaded from sourceforge (some time ago). So the power for change is there.




    SMB howto:
    http://www.amiga.org/forums/showpost.php?p=683287&postcount=2
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  • Paladin of the Pegasos
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    Posts: 1513 from 2012/11/10
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    boot_wb,
    Quote:

    Sys:prefs/ambient/advanced.conf

    Add (or remove the semicolon from) the line:
    Quote:

    Quote:

    donotputrefwindowtosleep = true


    You may have to be careful with some synchronous operations (like deleting files from ref windo during copying) - Fab warned me thusly a long time ago, but I've never experienced any problems using this setting.


    That's a really good feature for MorphOS that I didn't know about, and had really 'bugged' me, seeing that Amiga OS3.9 does multiple copy/delete, but I thought MorphOS had not got this feature.

    This is yet another reason for there to be a User Guide or Manual for MorphOS that can be printed out, and read, to get the best out of it, for all users. You can then choose which features you want to enable or leave alone for your own personal choice.

    Thaks for the tip, and of course I have also set this Advanced Prefs feature for me - 8-)
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