What chance of getting MorphOS2.x for Classic + PPC
  • Order of the Butterfly
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    Zylesea
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    The funny thing about the MorphOS-Team is that there's always one member who just provides a teasing screen shot that is somehow diametrical to the prevoius statements. Anyway, I still think the old PuP gear is rather too old and outdated. But if a version can get released with rather litle efford, bring it on.

    Anyway, what's about the powerbook version? Any progress? I think that is way more important. Just saw a 1667MHz 128MB VRAM version for a bit above 200 EUR recently, was tempted, but didn't took it.

    [ Editiert durch Zylesea 19.05.2011 - 22:17 ]
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  • Priest of the Order of the Butterfly
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    @Zylesea

    Also interesting that it's an 'unregistered demo version' (does sysinfo give a different result for a non-time-limited development version?)

    Perhaps the work required is more in the degugging, testing, quality etc for a release candidate of a suitable quality... MorphOS team seem to like playing around with proof-of-concepts (eg the G5 demos) - doesn't mean it's necessarily anywhere near to a release I suppose.
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  • MorphOS Developer
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    There's no such thing as a 'non-time limited development version' - we actually put more protection into beta versions than into production builds. And here's the catch with 2.7 on PowerUP - it cannot be registered. But that's just one of the things it lacks, apart from - as an example - an updated Quark. I took the screenshots when running on the 1.5 Quark core with updated non-kernel compontents.
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  • Priest of the Order of the Butterfly
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    Ah - Cheating then!  :-D

    Interesting to know some of the MorphOS dev internals.

    As an outsider one gets the impression that it's quite an informal 'Hey guys, surprise! I got MorphOS running on this Emac' or 'Surprise, I've created this new memory allocation algorithm - it's pretty cool!' kind of affair.

    The occasional video also gives more of a businesslike impression (working to agendas - sortof!), and it sounds from what you say as if experimentation would be pre-planned and quite tightly controlled.
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  • Yokemate of Keyboards
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    amigadave
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    @jacadcaps,

    Yes, I surely missed seeing those screen shots of 2.7 running on your BlizzardPPC board. So, maybe there is less work than some Team members think to get it running.

    Never-the-less, I am still not expecting an official release of any MorphOS2.x version for PowerUP boards, but still hoping that the Team could agree to let someone else that they trust to setup and start running the 1.4.5 registration server again.

    That way it will have little to zero effect on their work for MorphOS2.8 and beyond and they can make a statement that NO SUPPORT will be provided for version 1.4.5 by the Team and that users must support themselves for that outdated version.

    What could it hurt?

    As for those saying that the old boards should be retired, there are still many of us out here that still want to make use of our old, antiquated Classic Amiga systems for as long as they continue to boot-up.
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  • Priest of the Order of the Butterfly
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    CountRaven
    Posts: 566 from 2007/12/10
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    The thing is, many bppcs and csppcs have changed hands during the last few of years who would be interested in registering 1.4.5 and they can't. I think that there'd be at least 20-30 powerup boards registered if the server went up, but that's just my estimation and I'm not sure if that amount of registrations makes it worthwhile to get the server back up and running.


    This was actually my very next post. I have the feeling that MorphOS is now more popular around the Amiga community than in the past. There are many people who are new owners of used bppc and csppc cards and would like to use MorphOS. Well my main goal of having two PPC classics -and a third one on the making- is to run MorphOS. But this is just me.

    Meanwhile I have noticed that the PowerUP site is down :( I think it should be up at least for historical reasons.

    And ok I can not really catch up with the fact that there are some teasers of 2.7 running on BlizPPC and on the other hand the team does not let even a hope for even a little step forward for the PowerUP version, at least a registration re-activation.

    Anyway I still believe that MorphOS is the best think that happend on Amiga-scene and will keep the faith.

    Meanwhile on a little poll I have done on the www.amigaplanet.gr the most of the people voted want a new PowerUP version.

    ps. Ah yes, I am typing all this stuff on my PowerBook which is waitting for the butterfly effect!
  • »20.05.11 - 00:37
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    jacadcaps
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    Interesting to know some of the MorphOS dev internals. (...)


    Oh, we do have common goals, but MorphOS is meant to be fun, so we also do things just because we can and because we find them entertaining. I upgraded my A1200 to 2.7 for just this reason during its occasional uptime.

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    So, maybe there is less work than some Team members think to get it running.


    Not really. I also have a feeling that this setup ran a lot slower than 1.4.5 used to - but that's hard for me to judge. I simply don't remember how it should run and I'm so used to the speed of PPC Macs that I find even the G4 Peg2 too slow nowadays.

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    (...)and they can make a statement that NO SUPPORT will be provided for version 1.4.5 by the Team and that users must support themselves for that outdated version.


    That we've already done when it was initially released.

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    Meanwhile I have noticed that the PowerUP site is down :( I think it should be up at least for historical reasons.


    Agreed, at least, we should probably put the 1.4.5 archive on morphos-files.net or so. We'll see what can be done about that.
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    Another thing to consider is the 2 or 3 guys that are offering upgrade services to remove and replace the PPC chips on Blizzard and Cyberstorm boards with newer and faster PPC CPU's, some of which are clocked up really close to, or equalling the speed of the Efika. So, with the chance to possibly upgrade a PPC PowerUP Classic Amiga up almost to the same speed as an Efika, which I think runs MorphOS2.7 very acceptably, and with the Blizzard board having up to 256mb RAM capability and the Cyberstorm boards able to use 128mb, plus add more with FastlaneZ3, or Zoram, I see no reason NOT to run MorphOS1.4.5 on a PowerUP Classic Amiga, or even MorphOS2.7, should jacadcaps ever be allowed to release the work he has done to get it running on his Blizzard equipped A1200.

    So Dev. Team, please consider letting someone, either in the Team, or outside, but trusted by the Team, to re-start the MorphOS1.4.5 registration server for those of us who wish to install MorphOS on our PowerUP equipped Classic Amigas. There are several owners who for what ever reasons missed out on installing it when it was available before and want to do it now.

    Edit: Thanks jacadcaps for what ever you can do to help this situation.

    [ Edited by amigadave 20.05.2011 - 01:47 ]
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  • Yokemate of Keyboards
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    amigadave
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    Thanks for the update and for getting this download available again.

    Let us know if there is any chance to get the registration server setup again, so users of Phase5 & DCE PPC boards can register and get rid of the 2 hour time limitation.

    Thanks again
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  • Paladin of the Pegasos
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    jacadcaps,

    Nice one MorphOS Team. Make it free to download (I mean registered version) and then it will be nice gift for Amiga Classics fans. Meaby future customers?
    MorphOS 3.x
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    @ jacadcaps

    Thanks for making this download available again.

    As many PPC accelerators have changed hands, this will allow new owners to run MorphOS.
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    Andreas_Wolf
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    > http://dreamolers.binaryriot.org/priv/powerup_tease.png
    > http://dreamolers.binaryriot.org/priv/powerup_tease2.png
    > http://dreamolers.binaryriot.org/priv/powerup_tease3.png

    Even more tease:

    http://charlie.amigaspirit.hu/temp/private/morphos_pup3/morphos_pup3_1.jpg
    http://charlie.amigaspirit.hu/temp/private/morphos_pup3/morphos_pup3_2.jpg

    :-)
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    Andreas_Wolf
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    Update:

    > http://charlie.amigaspirit.hu/temp/private/morphos_pup3/morphos_pup3_1.jpg
    > http://charlie.amigaspirit.hu/temp/private/morphos_pup3/morphos_pup3_2.jpg

    http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=de&tl=en&u=http://www.a1k.org/forum/showpost.php?p=654515

    MorphOS 3.x on PowerUP next year and for free?
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  • Order of the Butterfly
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    jacadcaps wrote:
    The download site (http://powerup.morphos-team.net) is back now.


    I donated $100 a long time ago to the PowerUp version just to be supportive of MorphOS.
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  • Priest of the Order of the Butterfly
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    CountRaven
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    Yes we want MorphOS back on the classics. It is a special case.

    [ Edited by CountRaven 19.08.2013 - 09:23 ]
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  • Order of the Butterfly
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    That would be amazing, amazing news!
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  • Paladin of the Pegasos
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    Andreas_Wolf wrote:
    Update:

    > http://charlie.amigaspirit.hu/temp/private/morphos_pup3/morphos_pup3_1.jpg
    > http://charlie.amigaspirit.hu/temp/private/morphos_pup3/morphos_pup3_2.jpg

    http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=de&tl=en&u=http://www.a1k.org/forum/showpost.php?p=654515

    MorphOS 3.x on PowerUP next year and for free?


    I wouldn't call that update. Those pictures where shown in May this year:

    http://www.ppa.pl/forum/morphos/27731/morphos-3-2-na-amidze-klasycznej

    With rzookol's note: official release is not planned.

    Imho I wouldn't hold my breath for that.
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    > I wouldn't call that update. Those pictures where shown in May this year:

    You misread. The picture links are in a quote, citing a posting of mine from May. The update is below the picture links and refers to what was said during Evoke 2013 by Karoly 'Chain-Q' Balogh last weekend.
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  • Acolyte of the Butterfly
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    No support AGA for graphics.library, no fun.
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    jacadcaps
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    SKOLMAN_MWS wrote:
    No support AGA for graphics.library, no fun.


    graphics.library? What does that have to do with AGA support?

    To support AGA we'd have to write a CGX monitor driver and that's it mostly. Obviously it'd be painfully slow and many parts of MorphOS wouldn't work due to missing hi-color support in that rusty old chipset.

    Actually - it's possible to use MorphOS on PowerUP without a BVision. You have to install the Virtual monitor and VNCServer and use it remotely :)
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  • Acolyte of the Butterfly
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    To support AGA we'd have to write a CGX monitor driver and that's it mostly. Obviously it'd be painfully slow and many parts of MorphOS wouldn't work due to missing hi-color support in that rusty old chipset.


    I thought that the issue is more complicated. Ambient is not needed. Just to be able to run Workbench/DOpusMagellan, MorphOS CLI without startup-sequence on AGA.

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    Actually - it's possible to use MorphOS on PowerUP without a BVision. You have to install the Virtual monitor and VNCServer and use it remotely :)


    Yes, but can run only those apps that refer directly to the AGA without references to graphics.library and monitor (PAL/NTSC) AGA.

    MorphOS 0.4 running on AGA, but there is no emulation 68k with JIT. Trance JIT requires at least MorphOS 1.4. Can do to make it possible to run Trance JIT on MorphOS 0.4 ?
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  • Paladin of the Pegasos
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    Quote:

    jacadcaps wrote:
    Quote:

    SKOLMAN_MWS wrote:
    No support AGA for graphics.library, no fun.


    graphics.library? What does that have to do with AGA support?

    To support AGA we'd have to write a CGX monitor driver and that's it mostly. Obviously it'd be painfully slow and many parts of MorphOS wouldn't work due to missing hi-color support in that rusty old chipset.

    Actually - it's possible to use MorphOS on PowerUP without a BVision. You have to install the Virtual monitor and VNCServer and use it remotely :)


    These old drivers no good?

    http://aminet.net/package/driver/video/CGX-AGA
    http://eab.abime.net/175372-post24.html
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