> Where is show?

https://morph.zone/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?forum=14&topic_id=5875&start=178

>>> Were over 1500 users of MOS.

>> How do you figure we are over 1500 users, when the registrations are
>> not even over 1500 yet? Myself and most other members on this forum
>> site figure that there are many users with multiple registration numbers,
>> which would make the numbers of users significantly less than the
>> number of registration numbers, not the other way around.

> My bad, meant to say 1450.

And even that is surely not true for the number of *users* (as opposed to registered machines), as amigadave has explained.

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Too early, should have waited a month at least!

Anyway, we can *already* see the tendencies of the bump we were hoping for! Will be interesting to see again in a few weeks!

koszer,
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Why do they object to upgrading to any of the 2.x versions, or now the 3.0 version of MorphOS?

Are they using version 1.4.5 on their Classic Amiga computers, or have they got Pegasos1 or 2 computers and just do not want to pay the license fee for any version of MorphOS that is not free?

Or are these users of MorphOS1.4.5 also using MorphOS2.x, or now 3.0, but want to be recognized as users of MorphOS1.4.5?

@amigadave:

Mostly classic users. A few (3?) Pegasos and MorphOS 1.x users. Some do have 2.x (or rather 3.x) on another machine.

[ Edited by koszer 17.06.2012 - 23:48 ]

I'm the 1421 user :)

Bodie_CI5,
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Been a long time indeed! No C64s for sale or anything else ATM. I haven't been a seller for some time. I have a few odds and ends that will be going on eBay in the near future under my wife's account including possibly my last C64, but no time frame at this moment. Say hi to your brother!

1473

http://www.ppa.pl/forum/morphos/24380/jak-dlugo-czeka-sie-na-klucz#m337450

OK, graph updated. Looks like we might just hit 1500 before July comes...

Nice bump in the graph after the release of MorphOS3.0. I wonder how big this bump will get before it starts leveling out to the same angle that it has been since 2.4 was released with support for the G4 MacMini.

Looks like time to change the numbering limits of the graph, maybe increase it to 2,000 license key numbers and extend it another couple of years, or more.

If I make it to AmiWest 2012 Show this Oct., I think I will print this graph out and post it on the wall next to the MorphOS3.0 poster and some other MorphOS informational print-outs.

If Hyperion has the OS4.x NetBook released in time for the AmiWest 2012 Show, some people will be interested in seeing a comparison of the G4 PowerMac running MorphOS3.0 and the Hyperion NetBook running OS4.x, though such a comparison is not really fair, or an Apples to Apples comparison, considering that the 1.67GHz G4 PowerBook will have considerably much more power than the 400MHz to 800MHz G2 core NetBook will have. Still some people will make comparisons, just because both of them are the only two PPC portable computers to run Next Gen. Amiga inspired systems, unless you know of a different PPC laptop, or NetBook that runs AROS, but then AROS is currently still quite different than OS4.x, or MorphOS3.0.

@amigadave

If Hyperion has the OS4.x NetBook released in time for the AmiWest 2012 Show

There are two possibilites. Either they managed to keep work on netbook secret, or they still have nothing now.

[ Edited by Krashan 24.06.2012 - 08:41 ]

> comparison of the G4 PowerMac running MorphOS3.0 and the
> Hyperion NetBook running OS4.x

I think such comparison would make more sense with the PowerBook instead of the PowerMac.

> such a comparison is not really [...] an Apples to Apples comparison

Yeah, it would be an Apples to Limes comparison ;-)

> 400MHz to 800MHz G2 core NetBook

While it's true that the e300 core can run up to 800 MHz in the PowerQUICC II Pro line of chips, I've yet to see an already existing netbook with PowerQUICC II Pro chip. That the netbook hardware is already on the market with Linux has been stated by Hyperion.
What's existing on the market in terms of e300-based netbooks has a MobileGT chip. The MobileGT line of chips doesn't exceed 400 MHz clock frequency.

I have done some editing in the graph:

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Small

You clearly see the much improved growth rate in registrations (a much steeper slope of the graph) after the point when MorphOS was introduced to the Mac's.

I'd dare to claim that the low price of the second hand Mac's compared to Pegasos2's, the better Bang/Buck ratio of the Mac HW compared to the Pegasos2, the much improved availability of the Mac HW, shows a direct effect in the pace of registration growth.

Not rocket science really.

The red "old growth line" would also IMHO likely have leveled out to become a more horizontal one (illustrated by the bottom border of the yellow-ish field) as time went by, due to the limited numbers of Pegasos computers in the community (there wouldn't be any more growth to speak of when those had been "saturated"), thus making the difference even bigger (but impossible to say by how much of course).

I think it's safe to draw the conclusion that sticking to very expensive, low volume, custom made HW with terrible "Bang for the Buck ratio" (as some still insist on doing) is much worse than going for widely available, cheap, powerful, mainstream options. But then again - MorphOS is Amiga done right!

So for the future?

Well *obviously*: Even more power, even higher availability, even more mainstream, even better bang for the buck. One, a few, or all of these, as many as possible.

Since this puts PPC completely out of the question, the choice is about ARM or x86. From today's perspective, I'd say x86, but the future is changing rapidly in this area, so who knows...?

Either that, or it's the same 300-500 people just buying another copy for a Powermac to replace their aging Pegs and getting another for their 'Mobile' laptop.


Let's not hope so eh?

stephen_robinson,
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Hard to say. Only the MOS Team knows unique persons and they aren't telling. There are a handful of users with 5+ licenses each and then you have people like me with just one (though I will be buying at least one more in the near future).

The bump from 3.0 has not been as big as I would have liked, but it was a bump. I'd really like to see the MOS user base grow. Spread the word, where appropriate. I'm going to start doing Youtube videos to show of MOS strengths. Sadly my SVGA converter and TV card does poorly with recording anything high resolution. I need better equipment...

> Only the MOS Team knows unique persons

...and even they can't know everything, like private resales.

https://morph.zone/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?forum=14&topic_id=5875&start=156

Andreas_Wolf,
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Good point.

Not exactly 1500 (1494), but nevertheless, graph updated again.

(Edit: As you can see, there's plenty of space left this time)

[ Edited by koszer 01.07.2012 - 09:51 ]

1/7/2012 - 1497

This is for a Powerbook 5,6.

It's my second MorphOS license, the first being the mac-mini.

The mac-mini is on pretty much 24/7 - media centre, fileserver. The Powerbook is my only other computer - web browsing, accounts, e-mail, design & analysis, documentation and everything else.

Thankyou MorphOS team for getting this release out to us. It's freed my Powerbook from the poorly-performing drudgery of running OSX, aside from the interim need to use MSOffice. Google docs is ok, but not great at importing pre-existing documents.

Key now received - thankyou whoever is manning the key-cutting machine today

PS - the first line in the body of the e-mail to which the keyfile is attached still refers to "MorphOS2". Haven't seen any other occurances throughout the registration process though - all other e-mails siimply refer to "MorphOS" (without version).


[ Edited by boot_wb 01.07.2012 - 16:11 ]

boot_wb,
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Looks like we might have already have reached the 1500 license registrations, or will have done so very soon. I would not be surprised if there are three more registrations from people who don't visit this site and so have not reported their numbers in this thread, or three that have registered since your post and while I have been writing this reply. It is my guess that we still only have approx. 500 to 700 actual MorphOS3.0 users and an unknown number of stubborn MorphOS1.4.x users, who refuse to pay for any MorphOS registration license key.

I would love to know an accurate number of MorphOS3.0 users and OS4.x users, but don't expect either group to ever release that information, at least not while they are still active. Maybe when one or both of them have decided to quit, or give up and go Open Source, they will release the numbers to the community?

@kozer,

New size of the graph looks good! I really like the steepness of the line after MorphOS3.0 was released. It is no surprise that MorphOS3.0 is so popular and registering so many new license keys. It looks like it has exceeded the rate of climb that occurred right after MorphOS2.4 was released.

With your permission, I would like to print out your graph for presentation at the next AmiWest Show next to the MorphOS poster. If you have it stored in a format that can easily be enlarged, that would be helpful. I can attempt enlarging the PNG image, but not being educated about PNG's, I don't know if there are different formats that would be easier to work with and produce better results when doing the enlargement. I guess I am out of touch with graphics processing these days.

If you have any suggestions on enlarging the graph for presentation purposes, or can send me the graph in a different format that will make it easier to enlarge, please send it to my email address, which is the same as my nickname, at earthlink.net. I don't need it now, as I would want a version that is current just before the Oct. Show, which may have another 50 to 200 registrations by then, depending on if the growth rate stays constant, or begins to decrease to the previous level.

If you do send me a copy of the graph just before the Oct. AmiWest Show, please make sure it is in a format that I can edit, so I can add some additional text to it. Thanks.

[ Edited by amigadave 01.07.2012 - 10:52 ]

amigadave,
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One of the bald men has 4 hairs on his head, the other has 5 hairs.

The battle for the comb continues...

stephen_robinson,
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Probably the funniest reply I have ever read on these forums!

Thanks for making my day.

As for now, this is the maximum size of the graph. I should be able to make it larger though (it would require some extra work, but I guess I could do that). Drop me a reminding PM a few weeks before AmiWest, OK?

@koszer

Nice to see this second temporary (which it's most certainly is) "jump of joy" in the graph, like the one when Mac support was first introduced with the Mini. A 100+ registrations "extra" in very short time, on top of the "normal" ~1 registration per day! Not bad!

There are obviously a great deal of existing users registering their new laptops here (like when many Pegasos/Efika users was registering new Mac Mini's during the last "100 registrations jump"), but it has also been nice to see some *new* faces here on MorphZone.org and other places! I think laptop support has been what many people been dreaming of for a long time, and it should also help that it's not only a laptop but also one of the most powerful PPC machines the Amiga has ever seen!

The bump in the graph should level out soon, and it will be interesting to see whether the graph will return to the same slope as before (~1 registration/day) or if the new "normal rate" will become even steeper than before!

Under any circumstances, if the MorphOS team would base an eventual future iBook support upon the reception of the PowerBook (like has been hinted), then I guess *it will* be coming now(?), because they couldn't possibly have hoped for a better reception IMHO.