Hi!

It has been mention, but NOT officialy confirmed, next MOS release will bring
SAM460ex support not only for damn integrated SM502 chip but for Radeon 4000HD,
leveling up the current Radeon 1xxx support.

Is this really under construction?

Or will it be done before end of year?

Choice to replace current SAM460ex Radeon 4000Hd and low profile gfx to buy for Lorianos X500 case depends on dis!

[ Edited by vox 01.03.2014 - 08:09 ]

Why is it so hard for you to understand that such news will be told when the developers are ready to tell them, which in no way can be influenced by you asking every odd week ?

[ Edited by Kronos 01.03.2014 - 08:43 ]

Get one of these gfx cards:

Graphics Cards

With 3d hardware acceleration:

ATI Radeon 8500 LE (R200)
ATI Radeon 8500 (R200)
ATI Radeon 9000 (RV250)
ATI Radeon 9000 Pro (RV250)
ATI Radeon 9100 (R200)
ATI Radeon 9100 LE (R200)
ATI Radeon 9200 SE (RV280)
ATI Radeon 9200 (RV280)
ATI Radeon 9200 Pro (RV280)
ATI Radeon 9250 (RV280)
ATI Radeon 9550 Mobility (no W3D)
ATI Radeon 9600 Pro (no W3D)
ATI Radeon 9650 (no W3D)
ATI Radeon 9600 XT (no W3D)
ATI Radeon 9700 Pro (no W3D)
ATI Radeon 9800 (no W3D)
ATI Radeon 9800 XT (no W3D)

Buying anything else is based on speculation.

If you wish to dual boot to OS4 perhaps Radeon 9250 is the best choice (3D acceleration in OS4 and Warp3D in MorphOS).

[ Edited by itix 01.03.2014 - 11:30 ]

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No one that I know of has suggested that the SAM460 port was close to release.
And while Pega-1 has shown some initial work done with an X1300 video card, its anyone's guess what will be supported for that machine (current support?).

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Since he would have to use a PCI video card, you suggestion IS about the best solution.

Actually, while I agree 101% with Kronos, and we all know that asking for release dates won't bring them nearer nor will bring the actual answers, I feel I have to clarify that Radeon R500 support was actually showed live at Pianeta Amiga 2013 and support for R700 (HD4xxx) was already in the works. And Frank Mariak and Mark Olsen told us that the plan is to have them both completed for the Sam460 release. No promises nor announcements, and we all know that even the best plan can go all wrong, but if everything goes as expected, they'd like to release everything together in MorphOS 3.6, and they hoped to have it ready for the first half of 2014.
So, you can all stop asking, and wait for MoephOS 3.6. And if 3.6 does not include everything, *then* start asking what went wrong (and expect a simple answer as "sh*t happens").
That said, do not buy anything for MorphOS before a release happens. This has always worked perfectly for me.

Kind regards,
Andrea

> SAM460ex support not only for damn integrated SM502 chip

Are you sure the SM502 will be supported by MorphOS?

> No one that I know of has suggested that the SAM460 port was close to release.

This depends on whether one regards within 4 months from now as close or not, I guess :-)

https://morph.zone/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?forum=11&topic_id=8931&start=106

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AFAIK, the 9200/9250 is the best OS4 cards with proper driver support (2D acceleration, 3D acceleration, overlay, etc). Even the R300 is lacking in support AFAIK, and the Radeon HD driver hasn't even got to a final 1.0 release of its 2D support yet (and it isn't part of the OS4 package anyway AFAIK). So I would say the 9200/9250 is the best OS4 cards period, no matter socket/interface.

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Indeed that remains to be seen, and the point in supporting it is kind of questionable IMHO since it's kind of low spec for any real use today anyway. On the other hand, the OS4 driver at least provides 2D and overlay for it, and is a property owned by Acube AFAIK, so maybe it wouldn't be too much of an effort for them to create a MorphOS driver as well if they want to make the support for their HW more solid?

> AFAIK, the 9200/9250 is the best OS4 cards with proper driver support [...]. [...]
> I would say the 9200/9250 is the best OS4 cards period

The 9000 Pro ist faster than those and is fully supported by OS4.

Radeon 9000 PCI?
Much easier to find a 9250.

>>> AFAIK, the 9200/9250 is the best OS4 cards with proper driver support [...]. [...]
>>> I would say the 9200/9250 is the best OS4 cards period

>> The 9000 Pro ist faster than those and is fully supported by OS4.

> Radeon 9000 PCI? Much easier to find a 9250.

I was replying to a statement about performance, not about availability.

>>> The 9000 Pro ist faster than those and is fully supported by OS4.

The difference is very minor.

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You mean this difference?

I'd say it's significant, not major, and something you can definitely live with it.

The memory bandwidth of 9250 is 73% of 9000 Pro, guess that is the value that matters the most.

I think the real question is, why specifically look for worse gfx card, while you could first look for 8500 / 9100, then 9000 Pro, then 9200, and if all previous fail, the 3rd best option, 9250.

I assumed there was something wrong with OS4's 9000 Pro support, since people always seem to recommend worse models (9200, 9250), but I guess that isn't the case?

Also worth noting, apparently 9250's are available without DVI, if you end up getting worse gfx card, better make sure the model you get has it (although, as with slower gfx card, you can live with VGA too...)

And don't forget that some manufacturers might have the same model slightly worse than others!

[ Edited by Jupp3 06.03.2014 - 14:57 ]

Yes, the 8500 would be best, the 9250 is more available.
If Andreas is right, FireMV cards might be used (by adding their ID to the driver).

8500 wasn't fully supported (or working) on OS4... 3D acceleration IIRC?

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Well, that nixes the 9100 as well.
So we are down to the 9000Pro.

> you could first look for 8500 / 9100, then 9000 Pro, then 9200, and if all
> previous fail, the 3rd best option, 9250.

Isn't that 4th? ;-) And what's with the non-Pro 9000? :-)

> 8500 wasn't fully supported (or working) on OS4... 3D acceleration IIRC?

That, and compositing.

> If Andreas is right, FireMV cards might be used (by adding their ID to the driver).

Just the FireMV 2200 PCI, to be exact.

> that nixes the 9100 as well.

Exactly, as we discussed back in January :-)

Pity, I always liked that card.
Works well under MorphOS.

Anyway, you really can see the difference between some cards. For example going from 9200SE to 8500LE on Peg2 was a major speedup. You really could see it with VGP2 for example :)

8500LE/9100, yes I've used one of those.
On a Mac you are limited to 64MB of vram.
Still, a nice card.