Why is so important faster CPU or GFX card, do we have any game or program which need more than G4 CPU. I don't mean emulators like DosBox or UAE where faster CPU is always better.
We have only old Quake3, just old fps counter for many Mos/Os4 users. Do we have even old games like HalfLife or Morrowind? No. What if X1000 will have 3GHz x 6 CPU with 1+ GB high end GFX card??? What we can do with such powerful hardware? Only count fps in Quake3 and say Os4 is better than Mos, look Q3=11012 fps.
I am more than happy with MacMini and Mos2.5. For available software more than enough.
We need more software for our platforms, more than powerful and expensive hardware.
Thank You developers/porters for all good stuff for our Amiga systems, and need more of You.

ON SPOT!

(now, after this memorable contribution of mine, I just sit back and wait for rows of developers to join...)

> Why is so important faster CPU or GFX card, do we have any game
> or program which need more than G4 CPU.

Just one example that is relevant to me: watching HD video content. My 1.5 GHz G4 can't cope with 1080p at all and sometimes not even with 720p properly (depending on encoding and bitrate).

> I don't mean emulators like DosBox or UAE where faster CPU is always better.

And what if that's important to someone? In that case I think you answer your own question.

> We have only old Quake3

We have also newer FreedroidRPG, UFO: AI and other games, which struggle on my 1.5 GHz G4 with full effects and resolution enabled.

> What if X1000 will have 3GHz x 6 CPU with 1+ GB high end GFX card???
> What we can do with such powerful hardware?

Watching 1080p video content for instance. But I guess that one 1.8 GHz core of PA6T is sufficient for this :-)

> count fps in Quake3 and say Os4 is better than Mos

OS4 on X1000 being faster than MorphOS on G4 Mac wouldn't mean that OS4 is better than MorphOS. It would not even mean that OS4 is faster than MorphOS. To be able to draw such a conclusion both OS would have to be run on the very same hardware (see both OS4 and MorphOS on Pegasos II benchmarks where MorphOS destroys OS4).

> I am more than happy with MacMini and Mos2.5.

Me too. But I would be lying if I said that there're no restrictions I would like to see overcome (see HD video content for instance).

> For available software more than enough.

Clearly depends on your needs and wants. What's enough for you might not be enough for someone else.

Quote:

I agree. And while I am also very satisfied with my 1.5 GHZ Mac mini I would of course welcome a fully supported "Power7 for a pocket money". But this is real life and there the options are like they are and the X1000 approach is - while using a generally nice cpu - the wrong approach. IMHO that is.

@Andreas_Wolf

For some 720p files that are a bit too slow, you might want to use -lavdopts skiploopfilter=all
(or lavdopts=skiploopfilter=all in conf/config). It gives a 20-30% boost.

> For some 720p files that are a bit too slow, you might want to use
> -lavdopts skiploopfilter=all
> (or lavdopts=skiploopfilter=all in conf/config). It gives a 20-30% boost.

Thanks for advice. I'll try that.

Struggling to absorb OpenGL under MorphOS and, I too, wouldn't mind more CPU and GPU power.

While the X1000 is currently vapourware, it is undeniably the highest performing PPC machine announced to date that is produced for an Amigalike OS, one which could blow an eMac sky-high, even my PMac G4 1.5 ghz is dwarved to it. Therefore, I say that the MorphOS team should:

Recognize that this is a potential opportunity for Porting and new hardware, BUT they should not invest in it until it is either:

Withdrawn
Released and is a success
Released and a bomb

If it sells 1000 units, thats a success for our small community, in fact, considering we have a community of ~ 100k people, 1k units is one hundredth of our size, and can be a success on our scale. What would be nice is if someone released a e400 based PPC unit (Genesi?) that would cost $200, that would be well worth my money. An X1000 will take me a LONG time to save for.

Once again, why port to this machine when G5 Macs are cheaper, plentiful, and just as powerful?

> they should not invest in it until it is either: Withdrawn

;-)

> we have a community of ~ 100k people

That's including all types of retro and part time Amigans, isn't it?

> What would be nice is if someone released a e400 based PPC unit

What's "e400"? Care to elaborate?

Update:

>> What we can do with such powerful hardware?

> Watching 1080p video content for instance. But I guess that
> one 1.8 GHz core of PA6T is sufficient for this :-)

...or maybe not. Result with two cores running:

"1080p videos are a little bit too slow."
http://amigaworld.net/modules/news/article.php?storyid=6338#85587

That's not good. Luckily the HW was cheap at least. Oh, wait...

It's funny, people think the X1000 is expensive, and even I've made to odd sarcastic jibe but compared to some hobbies it's really quite cheap.

Yeah, compared to Charlie Sheen's hobbies, its cheap.

No, my Powermac was cheap, an X1000is about £1,876.00.

That's just a little shy of $3000.

[ Edited by Jim 16.04.2012 - 17:40 ]

Update:

> Result with two cores running:
> "1080p videos are a little bit too slow."
> http://amigaworld.net/modules/news/article.php?storyid=6338#85587

Now with two cores and hardware acceleration for graphics:

"1080p videos [...] work but not absolut smooth"
http://forum.hyperion-entertainment.biz/viewtopic.php?p=13033#p13033

Jim,
Quote:

I know I am quoting a very old posting with the above, but it is a wise statement that still applies, if not more applicable.

I think that the faster models of the G5 PowerMac (2.3GHz & faster models) are definitely, substantially faster than the 1.8GHz PA6T AmigaOne X1000 in almost every kind of benchmark, except one (memory read/write). Also the prices of the G5 PowerMac's seem to have fallen even faster than prices for the G4 PowerMac's, so the price to power ratio has gotten even better for buying and using a G5 PowerMac.

Compared to the G4 PowerMac's we can use now, the G5 PowerMac's with their 8x AGP slot coupled with the G5 CPU to unlock more graphics performance from the faster video cards we can use in them, the G5 PowerMac models look even better as a possible porting target for MorphOS3.x some time in the future after all the work is done supporting the G4 PowerBook's.

MorphOS3.x on a 2.7GHz G5 must be an absolute screamer, with the several speed advantages it has over any of the G4 Mac models. Also, the perception that all liquid cooled G5 PowerMac models are not reliable is somewhat exaggerated. Once any coolant leaks are repaired, or the LCS is replaced with the more reliable Panasonic LCS, they are just as reliable as most other computer designs.

I trust my corrosion removal and resealing of my LCS system.

[ Edited by amigadave 12.05.2012 - 14:10 ]