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    Andreas_Wolf
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    >> Where from did you conclude that they had died?

    > it's a general assumption, since all that buzz and no product reaching the general public.

    Seems you exclude the Far East from the "general public" ;-)

    > But it's true that the Cherrypal does exist

    Yes, the C120, which is being sold by Cherrypal, is still just a relabelled LimePC-X1/uBox by LimePC/THTF/MTC. So I think it's safe to assume that they are shipping to Cherrypal, which in turn requires them to be alive in some shape or form.

    > I also red about the LimePC has been sold, only in China.

    Yes, it's in Velcro_SP's thread that I linked to. And I doubt hat they're doing their businesses as a dead company ;-)

    > those web sites haven't been updated in ages.

    Huh? http://www.iseeuon.com was updated in January 2010 at least.
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    > It's apparently got [... ] 256 megs of RAM. [... ] MorphOS would run just fine on
    > this or the 5121e. They both have double the RAM of Efika.

    I think you're once again mixing up boards with CPUs. The amount of RAM in a device with either CPU solely depends on the design of the board. The CPUs themselves neither have any real RAM (except some small caches) nor dictate the exact amount of RAM to be installed on the board. For instance, there are MPC5121e based devices with double the RAM of Efika 5200B (e.g. LimePC-X1/uBox/C114, LimeBook/uBook) and MPC5121e based devices with quadruple the RAM of Efika 5200B (e.g. C120, ADS512101/"Hellrosa", G-MPC5121 Bali). Likewise, there are MPC5125 based devices with same amount of RAM like Efika 5200B (e.g. MPC5125SOM) and MPC5125 based devices with double the RAM of Efika 5200B (e.g. TWR-MPC5125). And finally, there are MPC5200B based devices with double the RAM of Efika 5200B (e.g. EM1A, EM1N, EK6N, F12N).
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    jcmarcos
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    Quote:

    Andreas_Wolf wrote:

    I think you're once again mixing up boards with CPUs.


    Are you sure his statement really needed correction? He is talking about that new development computer, not about the CPU alone, which never makes sense anyway.
    Alright, modern chips like these "SoC" do a hell of a lot of things that had to be done in separate chips years ago. But you still have to build a computer around them, and you can do it good or bad.
    Moreso, you can also do a fine computer around a crap CPU or SoC, if you are really determinate to do so.
    I guess we all here know what's a computer, and what's an individual computer component.
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    > Are you sure his statement really needed correction?

    Yes, I am.

    > He is talking about that new development computer, not about the CPU alone

    Then which computer is that "5121e" supposed to be? AFAIK that's a chip, not a board.

    > I guess we all here know what's a computer, and what's an individual
    > computer component.

    I won't bet on it. Think about why I wrote "once again" ;-)
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    Update:

    > http://www.iseeuon.com was updated in January 2010 at least.

    http://www.limepc.com and http://www.limefree.org got some updates just recently. In terms of Power Architecture the relevant pages are:

    http://www.limepc.com/book.shtml (renamed to "A7"/"A9" from "Z7"/"Z9", now also with Android)
    http://www.limepc.com/note.shtml
    http://www.limepc.com/x1.shtml
    http://www.limepc.com/mobile.shtml ("Coming soon")
    http://www.limepc.com/tv.shtml
    http://www.limepc.com/tv22.shtml

    http://www.limefree.org/limebook.asp (with Android)
    http://www.limefree.org/limex1.asp (with Android)
    http://www.limefree.org/mpc5121.asp (see page 68 of this Freescale document)
    http://www.limefree.org/mpc5121core.asp
    http://www.limefree.org/mpc5121mid.asp
    http://www.limefree.org/mpc5125.asp
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    jcmarcos
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    Wow, Adnreas, do you use some kind of web surveilance tool, to automatically check for updates? Or you really remember hundreds of relevant sites to visit them regularly?

    (and now, you will answer with a link to myself asking this months ago :-) )

    Wow, what a load of Android puppets everywhere in "limefree.org"! That "Android built on POWER" sure is catchy COUGH for COUGH us only, though:

    http://www.limefree.org/images/ad/1.jpg

    Who knows, perhaps they've done a great job, and now that lovely MPC5121e based notebook performs like a champion. Can the Android experience be very different to the previous Ubuntu one? What a pity they don't have a certain "lightning OS"...

    I know, I know. But gotta love that lovely motherboard photos. Hey, now I see MIPS based products, even! Go figure what's that "1.7Gdmaps processor" in their laptop/tablet convertible LimePad E7F.

    Lime web sites are always amusing to read. But I for one can't help but feel a certain nostalgia for that deal that got broke.

    [ Edited by jcmarcos on 2010/8/6 10:47 ]
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    Andreas_Wolf
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    > do you use some kind of web surveilance tool, to automatically check for updates?

    No, just a coincidence.

    > now, you will answer with a link to myself asking this months ago

    Wouldn't make any sense. I'd only respond with a link if I answered this question already.

    > now I see MIPS based products, even!

    Yes, they obviously complemented their Power Architecture and x86 based offerings with MIPS and ARM based products.

    > Go figure what's that "1.7Gdmaps processor" in their laptop/tablet convertible
    > LimePad E7F.

    To be honest, I don't have the slightest clue what "1.7Gdmaps processor" means ;-)
    But fortunately there's some information provided by a posting you linked to:

    "LimePad: [...] Processor is "1 GHz minimum Cortex". I assume they mean an ARM Cortex-A8 or A9, as they're the only ARM Cortex that run that fast."

    On further observation it seems that the LimeNote on limepc.com equals the LimeLite in that posting. But there's also something really confusing: As far as I can see the MPC5121e based LimeBook "Z7" and "Z9" were renamed "A7" and "A9". But in the posting you linked to the following is said about the LimeBook A9:

    "LimeBook A9: [...] "1 GHz minimum Cortex processor". From the name I would guess it is indeed an ARM Cortex-A9."
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    Addendum:

    >> Go figure what's that "1.7Gdmaps processor" in their laptop/tablet convertible
    >> LimePad E7F.

    > To be honest, I don't have the slightest clue what "1.7Gdmaps processor" means ;-)

    Someone seems to think it's the MPC5121e:

    http://deliriotecnologico.blogspot.com/2010/10/limepc-tablet-android-su-powerpc.html

    Google translation of the relevant part:

    "the use THTF discussed MPC5121e processor suitable for industrial environments but unsuitable for the environment because the consumer does not in synthesis of a nimble multitasking [...], but what was worse is that the promised features that never had this processor [...]. But despite this major limitation seems that distributes both the THTF LimePAD E7F the MPC5121e LimeBook A9 processor"
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    >>> Go figure what's that "1.7Gdmaps processor" in their
    >>> laptop/tablet convertible LimePad E7F.

    >> To be honest, I don't have the slightest clue what "1.7Gdmaps processor" means ;-)

    > Someone seems to think it's the MPC5121e [...]

    Apparently, he's right:

    LimeMID E7F:
    http://i00.i.aliimg.com/photo/v0/113199866/MID_iE7F_freescale_processor_7inch.jpg

    And there're also Power Architecture based 8 and 10 inch models listed:

    LimeMID E8F:
    http://i01.i.aliimg.com/photo/v0/113199933/iE8F_freescale_mobile_GT_processor_android_8inch.jpg
    LimePad E10F:
    http://i01.i.aliimg.com/photo/v0/113199983/E10F_1_7GD_maps_processor_10inch.jpg
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    jcmarcos
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    Oh, shit, not again... :-D

    Wouldn't life be much easier, if this LimePC thing was dead, buried and forgotten already? On the contrary, these chinese people keep on building lovely consumer devices based on our fave CPU architecture.

    Is anyone else doing so? I'm actually shocked at the android sticker. Is it for real? I mean, are there any known devices out there, PowerPC based, running android?
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    > Is anyone else doing so?

    I think there're many companies producing consumer devices based on Power Architecture, such as STBs, NAS devices, HDD recorders, FTA receivers etc., but that's mostly nothing that you or me would classify as a device for 'personal computing', while on the other hand devices like tablet PCs surely are devices suited for personal computing. So if we're talking solely about consumer devices of the latter kind then my answer is: I'm not aware of anybody else doing so.

    > I'm actually shocked at the android sticker. Is it for real? I mean, are there
    > any known devices out there, PowerPC based, running android?

    As THTF/LimePC are marketing both their Power Architecture based netbook LimeBook A7/A9 and their nettop X1 as being delivered with Android I think they're only consistent in marketing their Power Architecture based tablet PCs as running Android as well.
    Other than THTF/LimePC I'm only aware of this (not a consumer device though):

    https://morph.zone/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?topic_id=6565&forum=3 (status: "No Longer Manufactured")
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    I was just thinking that it would be nice to run morphos on this tablet I recently got. It's not my
    kind of thing, but it's nice to tinker with new toys, and get more familiar with android. I
    got a sylvania 1ghz, and coby kyros 800mhz mid7015? don't care for either, just something to doodle
    with till the next big thing. I notice many emulators on aps. :-) That lime tablet if it is a ppc 1.7 would be nice with morphos though...i'd get it...got those mentioned,
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    > if it is a ppc 1.7

    After having found the product sheets linked above I believe that the "1.7Gdmaps processor" is the MPC5121e MobileGT processor, but I still wonder about that strange naming on the part of THTF/LimePC. If you sum up the DMIPS figures of the e300 core, the AXE unit and the PowerVR core you get something like 1700 DMIPS, so there seems to be a connection ("1.7Gdmaps" being a failed variant of "1.7k DMIPS" maybe ;-)
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    Update:

    > LimeMID E7F:
    > http://i00.i.aliimg.com/photo/v0/113199866/MID_iE7F_freescale_processor_7inch.jpg

    https://morph.zone/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?topic_id=6565&forum=3&start=14
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  • LIME PAD T9

    FOR theeeeee MORPHPAD!
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    > LIME PAD T9 FOR theeeeee MORPHPAD!

    Nah, that's just Cortex-A8 ;-)

    http://www.limepc.com/t9.shtml
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    Update:

    > In terms of Power Architecture the relevant pages are:
    > [...]
    > http://www.limepc.com/x1.shtml

    Looks like they replaced the 400 MHz MPC5121e with something they call "UV131" at "1GHz above". Anybody any idea what that is?
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    [ Edited by Velcro_SP 06.09.2011 - 06:18 ]
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    > Don't we group all these processors as "ARM?"

    I don't know about others but I only group processors as ARM which are ARM ISA compliant. I don't know which ISA spec this "UV131" chip follows, so for me it could be ARM, MIPS, x86, PPC or whatever.

    > It looks like it might be the same gear used in this generic Shenzhen mini-tablet.

    Nice find. Unfortunately, also this page doesn't give any substantial clue in terms of processor ISA. However, deducing (kind of) from the fact that most tablets have an ARM processor we might conclude that this "UV131" chip is probably based on ARM ISA as well. But there's still the chance it's something else.
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    Update:

    >> In terms of Power Architecture the relevant pages are:
    >> [...]
    >> http://www.limepc.com/x1.shtml

    > Looks like they replaced the 400 MHz MPC5121e with something they
    > call "UV131" at "1GHz above".

    They changed it back to the MPC5121e three weeks ago.
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    Will morph run on a lime pc?
    I'd buy one for a friend.
    At least it has 512mb.
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    > Will morph run on a lime pc?

    Currently it doesn't. And as long as MorphOS doesn't get ported to the device it won't run on it obviously. However, should a port ever occur (which I think is doubtful) then this could be a possible target as well.
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    Update:

    > this could be a possible target as well.

    Is the following maybe a special 12" version of the above 9" device?

    "At the AmiWest, Steven Solie, who is Hyperion's project manager of the development of the operating system, has announced a PowerPC-netbook for AmigaOS 4. This 12"-netbook will be based on the e300-architecture and will be available at the end of the second quarter year 2012 for about 300 to 500 US-Dollar. According to Steven Solie, AmigaOS 4 is already running on it but the drivers are still in development."
    http://www.amiga-news.de/en/news/AN-2011-10-00049-EN.html

    "The device already exists and will be sourced in a special configuration from an OEM. Hardware development is therefore 100% completed. The quoted price includes the AmigaOS 4.x license. AmigaOS is already running on the device."
    http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=34459&forum=33#633775

    "There is however a 3D chip onboard of the netbook."
    http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=34459&forum=33&start=40#633831

    "It is using an integrated graphics chip. No RadeonHD. No PA Semi. [...] The prototypes we have (plural, yes) all have 2 USB ports, internal audio with external jack plugs for headsets/microphone, Keyboard and touch-pad mouse. The prototypes have built-in Wireless and wired ethernet. [...] The prototypes have 512 MB memory -I think-. [...] AmigaOS *is* running on the device, although in a very early state."
    http://www.amigans.net/modules/xforum/viewtopic.php?post_id=65604#forumpost65604
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    I am 99% sure it is something 5121 based from THTF/Lime.
    1st time I actually think Hyperion did a clever move. Wouldn't be too concerned if MorphOS-team decided for a 5121 netbook port.
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    ..... I'd rather see a port to Clampshell-iBooks (read early G3).

    About the same performance/specs, probraly less bugged and much cheaper.

    Not sure which would win in the "ugly" department .........
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