And now for soemthing completely different:

A new company doing PPCs.

To date C*Core (Suzhou, China) has been supplying a family of about a dozen processor cores based on the 32-bit M*Core licensed from Motorola.

Someone is still using this besides Atmel?

C*Core thinks it can beat Freescale at its own game?

Unlikely.

> C*Core thinks it can beat Freescale at its own game?

I don't think they really attempt to beat Freescale, at least not outside of China. You can probably view C*Core in the same light as Applied Micro and LSI who certainly won't beat Freescale but have their small stake in the Power Architecture centric part of the embedded market nonetheless (leaving automotive and military/aerospace aside I estimate Applied Micro holds about 10 to 15% and LSI below 5%). And as you know, competition is always a good thing for the customer.

Btw: https://morph.zone/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?forum=3&topic_id=7001&start=672 ;-)

Good point and a nice reference Andreas.
APM does have some products that are relatively feature filled while priced low enough to make them attractive.
Another company in this market segment couldn't hurt.

I wonder when we will get some technical info on their products?

> I wonder when we will get some technical info on their products?

From the article linked by minator:

"C*Core [...] has released a statement that it will announce its new CPU series and associated development platform at the group's Asia Power Architecture conference in Shenzhen on Sept. 1."

> A new company doing PPCs.

Thanks to a comment on that article I found another interesting attempt:

http://opencores.org/project,zcore
http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=zh-CN&tl=en&u=http://blog.sina.com.cn/s/blog_7100c6f40100sugy.html
http://groups.google.com/group/pwrseminews
http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/pwrseminews/info
http://www.linkedin.com/in/fangqiu


Edit: The unfinished product was released in October 2014 under GPL:
http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/openzcore/conversations/messages
https://github.com/lokisz/openzcore (empty unfortunately)

Edit2: https://github.com/lokisz/openzcore is no longer empty as of January 2019 and contains the unfinished zCore Pippo

[ Edited by Andreas_Wolf 22.08.2019 - 10:19 ]

> A new company doing PPCs.

And another one:

http://www.eetimes.com/electronics-news/4218659/Power-VeriSilicon-China

Seems it's going to get crowded ;-)

We should introduce MorphOS to some china rich guys ;)

> We should introduce MorphOS to some china rich guys ;)

That was already tried in the past to no avail:

https://morph.zone/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?topic_id=6196&forum=11&start=16
https://morph.zone/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?topic_id=6196&forum=11&start=29
https://morph.zone/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?topic_id=6196&forum=11&start=43

;-)

Also, MorphOS can't run on a chip alone. It needs at least a suitable board. And we shouldn't be expecting too much from those Chinese companies regarding the specs of the chips.

I'm just a dreamer as Ozzie Osborn is singing :)

Wouldnt it be miles better to stick to older second hand "G4" mac minis and powermacs for a while or try and use any other inexpensive powerpc like the xbox or ps3?

Why would anybody wanna buy a rippoff boards from a company made of three numpties that are getting there nemo 2.1 board made by Varysis???????

These people make sfuff for honeywell a subsiduary of rocket and weapons makers military government deal kind of place making amiga boards??

dont think so trev

your not Amiga you never will be!

Amiga.inc is not Amiga!

We are Amiga! and we use anything we can to run our Amiga stuffz ok



This is why i like idea of using cheap consoles to run Morphos or the good old macs if i can now call them that!


Apple really did used to be not such a bad apple, shame...

too expensive.....

but theres load of old g4 mac minis and powermac that are really good for morphos that are going cheap on ebay and ps3 wii and xbox are cheap aswell.


Say NO TO x86 dudez.

we all know you want to scratch microsoft badges off the xbox360. Sony's cool so that one can stay.



Period

Paradasa

www.paradox-computers.com

[ Edited by paradasa 11.08.2011 - 03:03 ]

> Say NO TO x86 dudez.

What I like much less than x86 are "dudez" who always create a new account when they come here to MZ after they took a break from the site.

https://morph.zone/users/1714.html
https://morph.zone/users/2920.html
and now:
https://morph.zone/users/3409.html

I dont care what you think I have my own views

Im a rebel and always will be ok.

Im right and I will always be.

Paradasa....

Sorry Trevor Dick and you knobs at Amigaworld.net and Amigakit Leaman computing bunch of retards...............

Look what they did with the AmigaOne..

I prefer Acube to all this Nemo crap anyway.

Why wont Genesi make a real Efika II with a new ppc core??????

Have you seen what Genesis Have done with their shop distrubition now o.O.............. becuase the dollar has plumited they have made all european customers pay nearly double the price!!!!!!!!!!! shocking!!!! its not our fualt your money has gone down..... plus if you live in america you get for $129 in europe 129EUR that a big difference.



Isnt ARM x86??? is it possible you could explain advantages of arm?? maybe mobile nvidia tegra 2 or something would be cool.... but id rather have a video slot anyway

STICK TO Power!


amigame.jpg

[ Edited by paradasa 11.08.2011 - 14:51 ]

> I dont care what you think I have my own views

Yes, it's obvious that you don't mind having multiple accounts here on MZ.

> Why wont Genesi make a real Efika II with a new ppc core??????

Send them an email and ask them. I doubt they'll answer this question here.

> Have you seen what Genesis Have done with their shop
> distrubition now o.O... [...] they have made all european
> customers pay nearly double the price!!!!!!!!!!! shocking!!!!

I find it more "shocking" that you think an upcharge of less than 20% results in "nearly double the price".

> if you live in america you get for $129 in europe 129EUR
> that a big difference.

The EUR price is including 19% VAT. As there's no VAT concept in USA you have to subtract it from the EUR price to get a fair picture, which results in an "only" 19% higher price in the EU.

> Isnt ARM x86???

ARM isn't x86. It's ARM.

Maybe ARM is worth looking at then im not too sure.


What kind of Megaherts do you get out of there chips are they dual core how fast are they, and can you get ARM cpus without graphics built in or are we all gunna use same one?


Plus ARM is 32-bit ...I know mos is 32-bit most of the other g5's are 64 bit.

Maybe it would be a good idea to switch to ARM as it is alot cheaper?

give me your feedback

[ Edited by paradasa 11.08.2011 - 20:17 ]

I don't really understand you ... You are yelling it from the roof: stick to PPC.

But on the other hand you're not so nice to Trevor who puts good money in this kind of hardware and you obviously don't like Hyperion while they stick with PPC.

Get a grip.

I dont want a grip thats just the point.


We wanna use amiga stuffs on anything that cheap ok that the point.

If you wanna grip go get an ridiculously priced new ppc board.

The efika was miles better prices and the pegasos.

Im not actually bothered what it runs on tbh aslong as poor people can get hold of hardware to run morphos on.

We should only pay for morphos then you can use it on some device.

we just need a board thats like 200 so we can mess about with them and are not so bothered if they break or a new one comes out.

the efika was perfect in a sence but sata and maybe 2gb ram and pci-e??

Otherswise ill stick to old macs for now

> What kind of Megaherts do you get out of there chips

The fastest ARM core to date is the Cortex-A9, which is specified at up to 2.0 GHz:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARM_Cortex-A9_MPCore
http://www.arm.com/products/processors/cortex-a/cortex-a9.php

Actual chips however based on that core currently reach only up to about 1.5 GHz. There's a Chinese company that claims it can deliver 2.0 GHz right now but I don't know if that claim is really true:

https://morph.zone/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?forum=3&topic_id=7183&start=310

> are they dual core

Chips based on Cortex-A9 can have up to 4 cores. Current chips in volume production have only up to 2 cores but there're some announced or maybe even sampling with 4 cores.

> how fast are they

As always, that depends on how you measure and quantify it. In terms of Dhrystone benchmark the Cortex-A9 delivers 2.5 DMIPS per MHz.

> can you get ARM cpus without graphics built in or are we
> all gunna use same one?

There're chips based on Cortex-A9 without on-chip 3D GPU but with on-chip PCIe controller, for instance:

http://www.st.com/internet/mcu/product/250658.jsp
http://www.xilinx.com/products/silicon-devices/epp/zynq-7000/

Furthermore, there're some with on-chip 3D GPU *and* on-chip PCIe controller:

http://www.st.com/internet/mcu/product/251211.jsp
http://www.samsung.com/global/business/semiconductor/productInfo.do?fmly_id=844&partnum=Exynos%204210 (see block diagram)
http://www.google.com/search?q=site:developer.nvidia.com/tegra/+pcie (nVidia doesn't seem to promote its PCIe capability much)

> most of the other g5's are 64 bit.

*All* G5 aka PPC970 chips are 64-bit. What do you mean by "other"?

> Maybe it would be a good idea to switch to ARM as it is
> alot cheaper?

Old G5 Macs are still faster than the fastest ARM machine and become cheaper by the minute ;-)

> give me your feedback

You're welcome.

Thanks alot m8 cheers.

So Morphos for ARM Cortex A9

I see the Genesi use the A8 at 800mhz is that kind of the same thing?

Becuase they are quite cool tbh.

Are there any other kind of SoC based CPU's that could be used?

What happened to that Mobile GT?

I'm Sure there are many cheap and nasty ARM based netbooks and tablets to use?

Why not have morphos on one of them little android tablets? they are arm too.


OMG that would be cool:)

http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/223918/linux_and_arm_power_new_10inch_netbooks.html

YUP I THINKS ITS TIME TO DITCH PPC LADS LOL

hmmmmm. plums n pears??

just think of pluggin your morphos sd card or usb stick and installing it onto a cheap ARM tablet or netbook?

Quality!!


NO MORE SOUR APPLES........... THANK GOD!

WE NEED NEW HARDWARE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

ASLONG AS ITS CHEAP <£225 Mark

These Android tablets are only like £50 to £180 whatever on ebay!

So we need a mini PPC board for <£225

or a port to ARM so we could use all the new devices comming out instead.



[ Edited by paradasa 12.08.2011 - 02:33 ]

I don't "need" new hardware.
I'll settle for what I have (and maybe a Powerbook).
Of course, a G5 would be cool too. ;)
But new? Nope, don't need it.

> I see the Genesi use the A8 at 800mhz is that kind of the same thing?

The Cortex-A8 is, as you might have guessed, the predecessor to the Cortex-A9:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARM_Cortex-A8
http://www.arm.com/products/processors/cortex-a/cortex-a8.php

The Cortex-A8 based chip that is used by Genesi is Freescale's i.MX515 and they're about to switch to the i.MX535 which is still Cortex-A8. As for Cortex-A9 they made statements pointing to the i.MX6 for future Genesi products:

http://www.powerdeveloper.org/forums/viewtopic.php?p=14714#14714
http://www.powerdeveloper.org/forums/viewtopic.php?p=14812#14812
http://www.powerdeveloper.org/forums/viewtopic.php?p=14826#14826

> Are there any other kind of SoC based CPU's that could be used?

Used for what exactly?

> What happened to that Mobile GT?

You seem to like MobileGT very much ;-) Well, just have a look at Freescale's product page for MobileGT:

http://www.freescale.com/mobilegt

You'll find that the latest addition to this chip family was the MPC5125 in April 2010. There're some threads here on MZ where this chip has been discussed:

https://morph.zone/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?topic_id=7014&forum=11
https://morph.zone/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?topic_id=7713&forum=3

The Web has some mention of an "MPC5130 : Dual PowerPC core based SOC" but I don't know if that's still to come or cancelled by now:

https://morph.zone/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?topic_id=6428&forum=3&start=12

> I'm Sure there are many cheap and nasty ARM based netbooks and tablets to use?
> [...] These Android tablets are only like £50 to £180 whatever on ebay!

Yes, there are. However, they're usually not Cortex-A9 yet but Cortex-A8 at best, most often just ARM11 and sometimes even only ARM9.

> we need a mini PPC board for <£225

There are:

http://www.google.com/search?q=twr-mpc5121
http://www.google.com/search?q=twr-mpc5125

...and even complete mini machines:

https://morph.zone/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?forum=3&topic_id=7675&start=80

Ug, all of those would be beat by a cheap G4 Apple.

> all of those would be beat by a cheap G4 Apple.

Yes, but I understood that he asked for hardware that is available new.

I knew that Andreas and, as always, you've delivered the info.
But if that's the new hardware I'll stick with the second hand stuff.

We dont like APPLES ok.

It dont matter if they are cheap and second hand... Apple sux:)

Id well prefer a "NEW" small efika type mobo or a tablet.

We dont want a massive tower box and mac minis are still to expensive.

Tablet is the way forward for MOS

MORPHPAD!

Cortex or MobileGT

Regards.