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    > something like Rosetta to keep old software running.

    That's exactly the problem. A transparent CPU emulator *and* endianness converter (for little-endian host CPU) like Rosetta is not possible with MorphOS. Read what the father of MorphOS had to say about that issue some years ago:

    http://moobunny.dreamhosters.com/cgi/mbmessage.pl/amiga/126048.shtml

    For a host CPU that is able to run in true big-endian mode this would be a non-issue, though, like it is right now with transparently running m68k code on PPC MorphOS.

    > you want to say it is not running very well ?

    No, he wants to say that AROS executables compiled for a certain CPU ISA don't run on AROS for any other CPU ISA *at all*. The same would apply to MorphOS as long as it lacks transparent emulators for the other ISAs. And such emulator would only be possible for CPUs with matching endianness anyway (see above).
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    So all answers answered then !
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  • Andreas_Wolf,
    Quote:

    "We" as in "the MorphOS Team"? ;-) As a matter of fact, the MorphOS Team alone decides which hardware MorphOS is going to run on. There's no way "we" could make run MorphOS on an ARM based tablet (not even on a PPC based tablet) or any other hardware we might be fantasizing about. However, you might offer the MorphOS Team to join them in order to port MorphOS to ARM tablets and create your "MorphPAD" ;-)

    > ARM Cortex A9 Tablet Computers [...] 1GHZ [...] for less then
    > 199 that comes with the Morphos on SDcard or USB Stick
    > with a user licence.

    At least 170 USD would account for the tablet plus SD card or USB stick. That would leave less than 30 USD for the MorphOS license. Do you think the MorphOS Team would give the licenses away for that price when currently it's more than 5x of that?


    Hmmm.

    More sales meens licence price can come down.

    Its simple math.

    How much is AmigaOS4.1? about £100 ok and how many sell? say if 5000 sold yeh on hardware that too expensive.


    Now try Morphos on sd or usb stick for FREE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! worth over £159.99 when you buy the new MorphPAD!

    We sell 15000 units and a contirbution goes to the MOS Team...... say £50 for each unit....

    how much is that?
    --------------------------------------

    Ive just seen the nicest white sleek A9 Tablet for £100 plus mos £50 contribution and shipping = <199 worldwide!!!!!

    ARM or PPC dont matter you can still run an emulator for old stuff.

    We need to move into the future and ARM's possibly going to last and be cheaper.

    But I think the MorphPAD could also be the first G4 PPC Mac in a Tablet in the world also. tbh Both versions would be nice:)

    MorphOS-Mobile V1. ARM or PPC dont matter:)

    This is the way forward for US as in the whole of the Amiga Community:)

    P.S. I visioned the MorphPAD in the Genesi developer forums about 4 years ago now then a while later the IPad came out.

    It really annoying tbh.

    Regards.


    [ Edited by amber-inc 17.08.2011 - 17:30 ]
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  • Yokemate of Keyboards
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    Andreas_Wolf
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    > More sales meens licence price can come down. Its simple math.

    The reduction in price actually depends on how much sales you anticipate. So it's not just simple math but also market assessment. That's the part where you can easily fail miserably, even as a graduated mathematician.

    > Now try Morphos on sd or usb stick for FREE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! worth over £159.99 when
    > you buy the new MorphPAD! We sell 15000 units and a contirbution goes to the
    > MOS Team...... say £50 for each unit....

    How's that MorphOS for free when 50 GBP of the price for the package go to the MorphOS Team? Wouldn't that amount to exactly 50 GBP for one MorphOS license? Otherwise, that sounds like a plan. Now you just have to go ahead with it, convince the MorphOS Team and sell your 15,000 MorphPADs :-)

    > A9 Tablet for £100 plus mos £50 contribution and shipping = <199 worldwide!!!!!

    Ah okay, you were talking GBP all along, not USD. For 199 GBP you wouldn't even have to sacrifice on the current MorphOS price.

    > ARM or PPC dont matter you can still run an emulator for old stuff.

    For a completely boxed emulation like UAE this is certainly true. For a seemless one like currently implemented in MorphOS PPC I'm not convinced.

    > I think the MorphPAD could also be the first G4 PPC Mac in a Tablet in the world also.

    Yeah, more like a 400 MHz or below "G4 PPC Mac in a Tablet" and lacking AltiVec ;-)

    > I visioned the MorphPAD in the Genesi developer forums about 4 years ago

    They wanted to do a PPC tablet but as we all know the plans they had for the MPC5121e didn't work out:

    http://bbrv.blogspot.com/2008/06/cherrypal-et-al.html
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  • Thanks for helping bro.

    I had my stuff deleted from the developer forums and everything:(

    Maybe if you look somewhere you can get them back.

    I was going to put an Efika into the back of a lcd tv

    and designed the MorphPAD! you will be shocked at how much it resembles the IPad but its nice and white with a blue purple leds

    That link is a joke:) seen the thing..thats like an robotic or automated stand still device not a Mobile MorphPAD.

    http://armdevices.net/2011/04/09/95-cortex-a9-tablet-review-kinstone-ks-umd070a9/ <<<cheap single core

    http://www.aliexpress.com/fm-store/906615/211025180-458423653/Renesas-Android-Cortex-A9-Tablet-Netbook-7-inch-N7A-Bluetooth-Capacitive-2-2-Dual-core-1GHz.html?tracelog=back_to_detail_a <<<<<MorphPAD:)

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    Andreas_Wolf
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    Reply over there:

    https://morph.zone/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?topic_id=7984&forum=3&start=2
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    Update:

    > "Smart World, Great Opportunity - Introducing A High
    > Performance End-User Platform Chip for Cloud Devices"
    > https://www.power.org/events/ASIA-PAC-2011/agendafinal.jpg

    Now also in the official press release:

    https://www.power.org/news/pr/view?item_key=e96d273c96e162bac7f725cae1515306d653794e

    Some more from recent press release:

    "Already actively developing with Power Architecture technology, Chinachip will announce its latest Power Architecture-based family of SoCs for cloud devices at the 2011 ASIA Power Architecture conference [...]. Chinachip specializes in the development of high-performance, low power, highly integrated portable multimedia and personal computer SoC solutions for consumer electronics applications. The company's products are widely used in handheld games, books, multimedia players, and highly-integrated personal computers. Leveraging the latest technologies, the company provides some of the industry's highest performance solutions at the most competitive prices. 'Power Architecture technology plays an important part in our technology development as we continue to increase performance to meet the rapidly changing demands of the consumer market,' said Mr. Jiwu Li, CEO, Chinachip."
    https://www.power.org/news/pr/view?item_key=31ff79f97e33ff8a9b6c4fbd6cee8463c9ab030c

    [ Edited by Andreas_Wolf 25.08.2011 - 20:38 ]
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    Update:

    > I'm eager to know whether they've developed new Power ISA compliant cores
    > or if they just licensed existing Power ISA cores (like Applied Micro and LSI did
    > with IBM's PPC4xx) and built their own SoCs around them.

    "IBM today announced that it is broadening its Power architecture licensing program to include for the first time, a multi-use agreement that gives developers access to the entire lineup of Power cores with a single license. Designers can now gain access to a blanket license for unlimited uses of the Power 470, Power 460 and Power 405 cores for a five-year period. [...] IBM also announced a Value added Reseller (VAR) agreement with C*Core [...] to expand market channels for Power architecture in China. C*Core joins a growing list of Power partners around the globe, such as Verisilicon who has extensive System-on-Chip (SoC) design experience with Power 405 and 460 cores and are well positioned to provide integration and turn-key services to deliver multi-core SoC designs as demonstrated by their most recent design for Chinachip featured at the Asia Power Architecture Conference in ShenZhen, China."
    http://www-03.ibm.com/press/us/en/pressrelease/35319.wss

    So it seems the new Chinese Power Architecture SoCs are not based on new cores but on IBM's PPC4xx core family.
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  • Paladin of the Pegasos
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    Quote:

    We sell 15000 units and a contirbution goes to the MOS Team...... say £50 for each unit....

    how much is that?

    That's very much, yes. I fully agree.

    Actually too much.

    You would NEVER sell 15000 units equipped with such (non tablet-optimized) niche OS as MorphOS.

    Not only would it (also) include the common "lack of software" issue, it would be worse than ever (no way to run any 68k software without UAE, or even PPC native MorphOS software that's never ported to ARM due to developer quitting, losing sources or whatever)

    The big question: "Would I buy one?"

    No. As long as there are MorphOS systems available that:
    1)Can run more software (PPC and 68k binaries)
    2)Have a real keyboard (sure, I can add one to a pad, but then it would lose all "pad appeal" it ever had (none for me anyway))

    I agree. Mobility is one thing. But then again, I'd much rather get a proper laptop instead, and hey, we are likely to get Mac laptop support before ANY arm support (if ever, likely never)
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    Update:

    > http://www-03.ibm.com/press/us/en/pressrelease/35319.wss
    > So it seems the new Chinese Power Architecture SoCs are not based on
    > new cores but on IBM's PPC4xx core family.

    The relevant ASIA PAC presentations are online:

    https://www.power.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/2.CCore_Mr._Jian_Zheng.pdf (translation)
    https://www.power.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/6.Chinachip_Mr._Walter_Li_upd.pdf (translation)
    https://www.power.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/9._VeriSilicon_Rui_Wang.pdf

    This is what I could take from them:

    C*Core: C8000 (0.8 to 1.2 GHz) and C9000 (1.2 to 1.5 GHz) chips based on PPC460 or PPC476FP cores (roadmap depiction)

    Chinachip & VeriSilicon: CC2000 chip* based on PPC460 or PPC476FP cores with HD audio, 2D/3D GPU (OpenGL ES, OpenVG), DSP, USB, SATA2 etc.


    * Interesting comments from end of 2010:

    "The next generation of consoles will be based on the CC2000 and expected to roll out by Q2 next year. The CC2000 will be announced in a month or so, and I've been kindly asked not to reveal the details, but as you can imagine, it's beast compared to the JZ4732 and CC1800."
    http://www.dingux.com/2010/11/back-from-china.html

    "by next year, the CC1800 will be obsolete and underpowered compared to other competitors in the PMP market. The CC2000 will be a bit more expensive, but here they have no choice but to move on or lag behind. Note that the CC2000 has a powerful GPU. [...] Note that the CC2000 processor uses DDR RAM, whose widespread usage makes it cheaper than the SDRAM used by the JZ4732 and CC1800. This means 256MB in the next generation consoles may probably cost the same or less than 64MB in the current generation consoles."
    http://www.dingux.com/2010/12/clarifications-on-previous-post.html

    ...and from May 2011:

    "According to my notes from when I was there, CC2000 is PPC architecture (PPC476+FPU+DSP+2D/3D GPU), clocked @ 700-800MHz."
    http://www.dingux.com/2011/05/new-gemei-x760.html?showComment=1306365873622#c8385640607435095182

    ASIA PAC presentation videos:
    Part 1: Welcome and Introduction Speech & The Progress and Prospect of Chinese IC Industry & Opening Remark by Kai Wang VP Freescale & C Core Evolution and Prospect & Building Watson, Deep QA Technology Overview and a Brief of Jeopardy!
    Part 2: Power Architecture 20 Years of Innovation & Why Power, Why Now? & Smart World, Great Opportunity - Introducing a High Performance End User Platform Chip for Cloud Devices
    Part 3: Executive Round Table Discussion "Think Power for the Future"
    Part 4: Freescale Vision for Power Architecture Based Multicore Solutions & Verisilicon Open Platform for Power PC Based SoC
    Part 5: LSI Axxia Communication Processor Overview & Synopsys Advancing Engineering Education Using Power Architecture

    Edit: link to C*Core roadmap added
    Edit2: PDF links updated.
    Edit3: Youtube links added.

    [ Edited by Andreas_Wolf 25.10.2012 - 22:52 ]
  • »11.09.11 - 19:45
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    On amiga-news.de there are (not officially confirmed) claims the1000 has serious issues with the PSU. It is very picky and a "wrong"(not faulty) PSU can crash the X1000.
    http://www.amiga-news.de/de/news/comments/264119.html
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    Not good news for Trevor if this still applies to the Nemo Mobo's that were recently produced, but maybe they did not make very many boards.

    I wonder if they will ever announce just how many X1000 computers have been produced, or how many PA6T CPU's they have on hand to make boards with?
    MorphOS - The best Next Gen Amiga choice.
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    > I wonder if they will ever announce just how many X1000 computers have been produced

    I'd say not one single X1000 computer has been produced yet, as opposed to Nemo boards ;-)
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    Update:

    > The relevant ASIA PAC presentations are online:
    > https://www.power.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/2.CCore_Mr._Jian_Zheng.pdf (translation)
    > https://www.power.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/6.Chinachip_Mr._Walter_Li_upd.pdf (translation)
    > https://www.power.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/9._VeriSilicon_Rui_Wang.pdf
    >
    > This is what I could take from them:
    >
    > C*Core: C8000 (0.8 to 1.2 GHz) and C9000 (1.2 to 1.5 GHz) chips based on PPC460
    > or PPC476FP cores (roadmap depiction)
    > Chinachip & VeriSilicon: CC2000 chip* based on PPC460 or PPC476FP cores with
    > HD audio, 2D/3D GPU (OpenGL ES, OpenVG), DSP, USB, SATA2 etc.

    From the ASIA PAC 2012 agenda:

    C*Core:
    "C*Core scalable design platform help you to win! - Introducing the C*Core scalable design platform based on PowerPC ISA"

    VeriSilicon:
    "PowerPC based SoC development platform running Android/Linux OS - This presentation outlines a high performance, scalable and re-usable SoC development platform for a variety of multi-media applications, such as gaming. Platform based SoC development reduces risk, time-to-market, and cost while provides flexibility to develop application specific features and functions."

    From a current Power.org press release:

    "[...] the availability of Android operating system (OS) 2.3 port as open source code for the embedded community [...] was made possible through collaborative effort between VeriSilicon and Mentor Graphics based on PowerPC 460. [...] "[...] This port was coordinated by VeriSilicon (Power.Org member) working with Mentor Graphics, and validated on VeriSilicon's PowerPC based, multi-core SoC development platform" said Elmer Corbin, chairman, board of directors, for Power.org. [...] Demonstration of Android 2.3 on a Power platform will occur at the 2012 ASIA Power Architecture Conference."

    ASIA PAC 2012 presentation slides:
    https://www.power.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/3.3-CCORE-ZhengJiang-2012-ASIA-PACfinal.pdf
    https://www.power.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/4.-CCore-Scaleable-Design-Platform-JoeXiaofinal.pdf
    https://www.power.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/5.-VeriSilicon-Open-Platform_English-Edition-Rui-1.5.pdf

    Other presentation slides:
    http://www.ipmall.org.cn/chinachip/ppt/CCore%20Scaleable%20Design%20Platform-%E4%B8%AD%E5%9B%BD%E8%8A%AF.pdf
    http://www.ipmall.org.cn/chinachip/ppt/%E4%B8%AD%E5%9B%BD%E8%8A%AF-Miya.pdf (translation, page 32)
    http://www.siridamedia.com/yth/20130912_OTT_KW.pdf (translation, page 48/49)
    http://www.chinaicexpo.com/speech/3G/VeriSiliconMiya.pdf (page 24)
    http://www.chinaicexpo.com/speech/PPT/XY.pdf (page 27)

    Edit: added press release.
    Edit2: added links to presentation slides

    [ Edited by Andreas_Wolf 17.07.2014 - 18:18 ]
  • »09.10.12 - 21:25
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    Addendum:

    > The relevant ASIA PAC presentations are online:
    > https://www.power.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/2.CCore_Mr._Jian_Zheng.pdf (translation)
    > [...]
    > This is what I could take from them:
    > C*Core: C8000 (0.8 to 1.2 GHz) and C9000 (1.2 to 1.5 GHz) chips based on
    > PPC460 or PPC476FP cores (roadmap depiction)

    I found an older document from mid-2011:
    http://www.socip.org/socip/speech/pdf/20110708-075811-CCORE-SoCIP%202011%20Presentation.pdf (translation)

    From page 7 can be seen that the C8000 has the PPC460 core while the C9000 has the PPC470 core (or more specifically PPC476 according to page 18).

    Some C*Core press releases from yesterday mentioning C8000 and/or C9000:

    http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=zh-CN&tl=en&u=http://www.china-core.com/news/html/?45.html
    http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=zh-CN&tl=en&u=http://www.china-core.com/news/html/?46.html
    http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=zh-CN&tl=en&u=http://www.china-core.com/news/html/?50.html
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    > The Mark 3 was the Micro model (with both FX/GX) that was distributed by the
    > Eyetech dealer network. Some developers had Mark 2.(very faulty)

    Apparently, the MicroA1-C Mark 2 is called MicroA1-B by some. I never stumbled upon this moniker before.

    http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=37872&forum=16&start=140#711743
    http://www.amigans.net/modules/xforum/viewtopic.php?post_id=80247#forumpost80247
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    AmigaONE X2000 'Cyrus' board.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PwhMTGzi9m4
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    What would one do, with faster hardware? I have a Mac Mini and I hardly have performance issues. The issues we do have are more or less software related (for example SMB).

    If you can work and life with MorphOS 100% of the time, then new hardware can be nice if there is software that can use it. Even in Microsoftland, there is still software that can't use multiprocessor. Sure the scheduler can assign processes to cores but 4 processes using 1% of a core, isn't better than 1 core with 4% load.
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    Let's hope that the X2000 isn't a fraction as costly as the monstrously overpriced X1000 (overpriced in the sense that you can get 10 times the power 1/7th the price nowadays), but I doubt it. Making new hardware is nice and all, but making it for just the fan boys out there will not make the market bigger. And we IMMHO need to make the market at least big enough to support a couple of small software enterprices.
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    Quote:

    Yasu wrote:
    Let's hope that the X2000 isn't a fraction as costly as the monstrously overpriced X1000 (overpriced in the sense that you can get 10 times the power 1/7th the price nowadays), but I doubt it. Making new hardware is nice and all, but making it for just the fan boys out there will not make the market bigger. And we IMMHO need to make the market at least big enough to support a couple of small software enterprices.


    I hope the opposite is true. The longer they keep shooting themselves in the foot by releasing half-supported under-powered over-priced hardware for OS4 they will only serve to drive people away from OS4 which will increase MorphOS' market share.
    1.67GHz 15" PowerBook G4, 1GB RAM, 128MB Radeon 9700M Pro, 64GB SSD, MorphOS 3.15

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    Quote:

    Roland schrieb:
    What would one do, with faster hardware? I have a Mac Mini and I hardly have performance issues. The issues we do have are more or less software related (for example SMB).

    If you can work and life with MorphOS 100% of the time, then new hardware can be nice if there is software that can use it. Even in Microsoftland, there is still software that can't use multiprocessor. Sure the scheduler can assign processes to cores but 4 processes using 1% of a core, isn't better than 1 core with 4% load.


    I think the main aim of the X2000 is not to outclass the X1000, but to warrant supply. The PA6Ts are that crazy expensive (and rare) that a new design probably does the math even with the anticipated low production runs.
    If they now skip this useless Xorro nonsense and keep the design rather simple (and hence not crazy expensive) it would be at least way more attractive than the X1000.
    Step in the right direction at least, good luck for Trevor.
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    I doubt it. If MOS wants a bigger share, we need new users and they have other demands than we do. We want the "Amiga experience" so we can live without SMP, Multicores, new hardware and good modern software. But other users will probably not see it our way. They want it all, and they can get it with Windows, OSX and Linux.

    So the ones that are left are the fan boys of each camp and they will not change for whatever reason. And the ones that are flexible enough already own multiple systems. So here there is no share to be taken, as I see it.

    However, I look forward to the day when MOS do a architectural shift and be able to attract a new crowd. But then we need a minimum of good software in order for them to pay for a licence. So I think we don't need to add more hardware (except maybe the ones that are relatively simple to port by now) and concentrate in making MOS better and adding those much needed programs, that will then be ready for the shift. This, IMHO, could be the key to relative success for MorphOS in the future.
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    > The PA6Ts are that crazy expensive

    There has been reported a price drop to 600 USD. Still expensive, but less crazy than the 975 USD reported before.

    > If they now skip this useless Xorro nonsense

    I'm afraid they don't:

    https://morph.zone/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?forum=3&topic_id=7001&start=780
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    > Let's hope that the X2000 isn't a fraction as costly as the monstrously overpriced X1000

    "Trevor told me (at the Silicon Dreams VCF show) that the cheaper (dual-core) version will be similar in price to the X1000, but they will actually make a profit on this one (unlike the X1000) that will allow future developments, while the POSSIBLE future quad-core one will be even more expensive."
    http://amigaworld.net/modules/news/article.php?storyid=6820#90551
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    Quote:

    Andreas_Wolf wrote:
    > Let's hope that the X2000 isn't a fraction as costly as the monstrously overpriced X1000

    "Trevor told me (at the Silicon Dreams VCF show) that the cheaper (dual-core) version will be similar in price to the X1000, but they will actually make a profit on this one (unlike the X1000) that will allow future developments, while the POSSIBLE future quad-core one will be even more expensive."
    http://amigaworld.net/modules/news/article.php?storyid=6820#90551


    I am afraid the continued interest and backlog of orders for the X1000 has not given A-Eon and AmigaKit any incentive to choose a cheaper alternative that could be sold at a price lower than the existing X1000. No doubt they could sell more computers, if they could price them closer to the current price of a SAM system, but it appears that they are not aiming for thousands of sales and may be content with the same few hundred units sold, like the current X1000. They appear to be keeping their sales aimed squarely at the high end AmigaOS4.x users and are content to leave the lower end of that market to A-Cube's SAM systems (though I do not consider them to be cheap, by any stretch of the imagination). Also, if you read further in the thread quoted by AW, AmigaKit states that nobody knows what the price of Freescale chips will be by the time the X2000 (or what ever it will be called) is ready for production and sales to the public. The price of the next system(s) from A-Eon and AmigaKit is totally unknown and could change many times between a rough guess a few weeks ago, to the actual price that will be charged 9 to 18 months from now.

    I like Trevor very much, and have a high degree of admiration for him being able to follow his dream all the way to a real product (as so many others have failed to accomplish in this community), but I like the path that the MorphOS Dev. Team has chosen, as it is the most sensible direction to follow for the majority of users interested in a Next Gen. Amiga system, that has also naturally grown out of the original Amiga + PPC hybrid accelerators of the 1990's. AROS is easily the direction that makes the most sense, but it has taken so long to mature and is still behind MorphOS in many ways, I think it had lost the interest of many users. Now that AROS is making some progress, it will be interesting to see which direction will make the most sense for the future. My hope is still that the AROS and MorphOS Dev. Team will merge together, when the time comes for MorhpOS to migrate to the x86/x64 platform.

    I think the combination of AROS developers and MorphOS Dev. Team members, will be an unbeatable force for the future of Amiga-Like computing.

    Just my 2 cents,


    [ Edited by amigadave 21.07.2013 - 11:52 ]
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