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[ Edited by Velcro_SP 20.04.2011 - 06:33 ]

> Andreas keeps on his efforts to point out every negative issue coming from Cherrypal.

"Every" is exaggerated by far. There's way too much of these statements across the net. But now and then, yes. Not because I have a personal grudge or similar against Cherrypal, but because there are people who dare to call these negative statements about Cherrypal as "false accusations". It's just that I may help these people to build their list of "false accusers" ;-)

> I don't know which Wolf does here.

I'm just pointing out some more of these (as you put it) "false accusations" against Cherrypal, done by a malignant bunch of "false accusers" who seem to be on their mission to destroy Cherrypal and discredit Max Seybold. And I think you have proof that these are really "false accusations", else you wouldn't dare to claim they are, would you? (And I believe that you just overlooked my corresponding question to you.)

> some of the legitimate complaints of users like hep-cat, whose receipt of a
> substandard computer I highlighted here at MZ some months ago. So I don't
> think I fell into that spin trap.

But according to Seybold that customer's story can't be true:

"To the best of our knowledge all impacted customers have either received their Cherrypals or got refunded by now." (a statement that you acknowledged in this very thread)

The customer you're referring to claims he didn't receive the Cherrypal Africa he paid for but a device that doesn't meet the Africa's specs. And he claims that he was promised by Cherrypal a replacement device with the appropriate specs. Furthermore he claims that he hasn't received any replacement nor a refund.
How can this customer's complaints be legitimate in the light of Seybold's April 4th statement, which you acknowledged?

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Sure, but I really think he is entering market before his product is defined and finished... Otherewise, we wouldn't see that amount of customer complains.

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I do think that Genesi can actually attempt to sell computers to developing countries. Heck, the idea was theirs, if I remember correctly (don't have references, sorry). And I don't think they've taken in a different direction, it's only that they don't have final product yet.

I'd dare to say that the wait for EfikaMX/SmartBook is very, very painful, as they seem to be in final stages since many months ago. The smallest the progress, the longer it takes...

Also, please guys, don't engage into a fight also here, it's not constructive. Both points can be understood, believe it or not (well, at least I do, honest).

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[ Edited by Velcro_SP 25.04.2011 - 07:15 ]

> Who else markets a $99 Android nettop (yes, assuming you pay and actually get it)?

I take it you mean netbooks (like the Cherrypal Asia models are), not nettops. Surely there are marketers for the following netbooks (besides Cherrypal, that is):

http://www.google.com/search?q=android+netbook+hivision
http://www.google.com/search?q=android+netbook+menq
http://www.google.com/search?q=android+netbook+skytone
http://www.google.com/search?q=android+netbook+wabook

Take this, for example. I'd also love to rebadge it, and sell it under my brand, with whatever ecologic-awareness drivel that might be the trend in these days:

http://www.itechnews.net/2009/11/15/menq-easypc-e790-android-netbook-video/

Eighty dollars. EIGHTY!

Genesi, you'd better run. A LOT. Thankyou Andreas, for making people open our eyes wide!

(and I fear I'm NOT dicovering anything new)

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[ Edited by Velcro_SP 20.04.2011 - 06:38 ]

These $99 Android netbooks are littered all over eBay.

http://computers.shop.ebay.com.au/Laptops-Notebooks-/177/i.html?_nkw=android&_catref=1&_fln=1&_trksid=p3286.c0.m282

for example..

These $99 Cherrypal netbooks are nothing more than rebranded mass-produced MIPS/ARM based Chinese knockoffs.

> At least he admits it once you're lured into watching.

You don't even have to watch to come by this information. Straight from the description of the video:

"It can run Android since it is based on a Samsung ARM926EJ-S3C2450 processor, but for now this review unit that I am reviewing in this video only runs Windows CE 5.0."

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I bet we all knew about that.

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I know of one. I've just found it. And you should be very ashamed because you didn't find it before!

http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/14/cherrypal-asia-runs-android-on-the-cheap-comes-in-7-and-10-1-i/

Really, Velcro, how come that you missed this one?

> ...meanwhile, LimePC pops up again in an engineers conference, showing
> evidence that the products actually exist. But why they never get to first world market?

From your link:

"LinkBook: same as LimeBook A9 but with a Freescale MPC5121e. I think its called the LimeBook at www.limepc.com"

Seems this "Linkbook" labelled LimeBook has been released to South Africa meanwhile.

Press release:
http://www.vodacom.com/news_article.php?articleID=593

Website:
http://www.linkbook.co.za

More:
http://www.google.com/search?q=vodacom+linkbook+freescale
http://www.google.com/search?q=vodacom+linkbook+motorola [sic!]
http://www.google.com/search?q=vodacom+linkbook+powerpc
http://www.google.com/search?q=vodacom+linkbook

Pretty cute! This "Linkbook" looks like the enhanced LimeBook I'd love to own. But is it really an MPC5121e powered device? Not even the "linuxfordevices" link assures so...

I've even taken a look at the user manual, it looks reasonably polished. Absolutely zero technical details, of course. Pity.

I agree that the "new" CherryPal "Asia" looks nicer, but this LinkBook IS the realization of a broadly marketed consumer product based on the MPC5121e, something believed almost impossible.

Funny tip: From the most insightful TechCentral hands on, it says: "the projecth has morphed over the years"



On the other hand, I find obscene to attempt to make a buck from the third world. Who knows, perhaps some pretend that it's better to deliver computers and internet connections for profit than drinkable water...

> This "Linkbook" looks like the enhanced LimeBook I'd love to own.

Enhanced? You mean the software side?

> is it really an MPC5121e powered device?

See your link to powerdeveloper.org where I quoted from ;-)

> Not even the "linuxfordevices" link assures so...

"The CPU is presumably one of Freescale's PowerPC processors" could go into more detail, yes.

> it says: "the projecth has morphed over the years"

That line is aimed at the OLPC project, not at the Linkbook.

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Yes, but perhaps the hardware is also better, as a long time has passed since the first LimeBook was made. By the way, I'd love to see a certain operating system "enhancement" for this little computer...

All in all, it would be better judged if we had one at our fingertips. Who knows, is there any interested amigan in South Africa?

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Sure that information from myself solves the question?

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That's what I meant, I'd love if it was true, but not even a technical web site dares to confirm. Alright, who cares about the CPU in todays world... Well, we do! (are we that weird?)

See Andreas, after freescale switching (almost) to ARM, I get an unexpectedly pleasant surprise at every PowerPC consumer divice that pops up anywhere.

> perhaps the hardware is also better, as a long time has passed since the
> first LimeBook was made.

I can't see any hardware enhancement in the reported Linkbook specs over the LimeBook Z9 specs.

http://www.limepc.com/book_specs.shtml

> Sure that information from myself solves the question?

Yes, I am :-) The Linkbook is a rebadged LimeBook Z9 for sure.

> not even a technical web site dares to confirm.

The following Google searches may reveal something:

http://www.google.com/search?q=linkbook+limebook
http://www.google.com/search?q=linkbook+limepc

Problem is I don't know any Portuguese ;-)

> who cares about the CPU in todays world... Well, we do!

Do you even doubt the widely reported perception that the Linkbook has a Freescale PowerPC CPU? :-)

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[ Edited by Velcro_SP 20.04.2011 - 06:29 ]

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Agreed. It was also the most probable sittuation.

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It surprises me that there's more information from tech sites that are not among the leading technology countries than the usual ones.

For us spaniards, it's very easy to understand portuguese, and the brazilian "tecnologia.ig.com.br" article seems as complete as it can be. Google's translation is fairly good, but reveals nothing new.
Also linked is an article from "linuxfordevices.com" which holds more information, coming from "techcentral.co.za" article who were the ones that actually tested the Linkbook, with mixed feelings: Two year Old Ubuntu "Hardy Heron" operating system, with a simple but functional user interface on top, and more applications that you might expect.

The biggest downer is an amazingly short battery life, someting very surprising, given the supposed MPC5121e SOC. Surprising or obvious? This chip (for which they say that comes from Motorola, not frescale) although tempting for a mobile device, is actually for another kind of mobile device: A car...

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[ Edited by Velcro_SP 20.04.2011 - 06:31 ]

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I'm no fool, sorry. Nor anyone else here. The big deal, indeed, is not about that "false" operating system that everybody noticed anyway. The deal is the price tag.

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Whatever you say, the computer business is about making money. Developing countries are, for business, just a virgin market to exploit. Who knows, if I ran a business, I might be somehow forced to attempt the same. Anyway, the first world countries are overcrowded with computers already.

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[ Edited by Velcro_SP 20.04.2011 - 06:28 ]

> Annoying and off-the-point and lame and irrelevant, like about 70% of Wolf's links

I'm positively surprised by the fact that you actually find as much as about 30% of my links enjoyable and on-the-point and persuasive and relevant. That's way more than I had expected judging from your past (non-)ability to grasp their implications on the matter discussed.

Me bored.

> Me bored.

I think you answered the wrong posting (see threaded view) ;-)

>> The Linkbook is a rebadged LimeBook Z9 for sure.

> Agreed. It was also the most probable sittuation.

BBRV share our view on this:

"yes, this is the same thing."
http://www.powerdeveloper.org/forums/viewtopic.php?p=13527#13527