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    from Raquel and Bill <bbrv@genesi-usa.com>
    to Bryars Michael <Michael.Bryars@freescale.com>
    cc max@cherrypal.com,
    Graham@cherrypal.com,
    Vipool Vora <vipool@cherrypal.com>,
    Dave Mothersole <dmothersole@genesi-usa.com>,
    Finch Todd <todd.finch@freescale.com>
    bcc Raquel Velasco and Bill Buck <rvbb@genesi-usa.com>,
    Matt Sealey <matt@genesi-usa.com>
    date Wed, Jun 18, 2008 at 2:05 AM
    subject Re: FW: NDAGenesi
    mailed-by genesi-usa.com
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    Thanks Mike.

    Max, if you can print and fax back the NDA to the number below, we
    will get out some materials to you quickly. Alternatively, we can use
    the information we collected from Companies House in the UK (Company
    No. 06598811, CHERRYPAL LTD., 21 May 2008) to fill in the appropriate
    information for you, sign it ourselves and fax it to you for you to
    sign and send back. Please email us a fax number if you want to go
    this way.

    By way of further introduction and consideration, please allow us to
    comment in more detail on some of the items in your press release and
    a related article written by journalist Ashlee Vance:

    http://www.marketwire.com/mw/release.do?id=869529

    256GB of DDR2 DRAM! Wow! _GB_ :)

    http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/06/17/cherrypal/

    1. The power consumption for a device based on the MPC5121E will be
    more than 2W. The RAM on the MPC5200B-based EFIKA that we currently
    ship generates 2.5W (the 5200B is also a part 'owned' by Mike).
    Powering the flash chip and a wireless connection will add an
    additional load. The processor might squeeze in at 2W, but not the
    complete system.

    2. What system do you have that boots in 20 seconds? Our EFIKA takes a
    bit less than a minute to boot and we have stripped back openSUSE to a
    bare minimum. The ThinPC that THTF showed at CES did not use a 5121E.
    We hope you know that and they have not deceived you. We have
    non-Linux operating systems that boot in less than 20 seconds, but
    Linux will not boot this fast in any form on the 5200B or the 5121E.
    Mike will affirm we have drawn the best performance from the 5121E ADS
    as any company.

    3. From the Register article from Ashlee Vance: "When we posted this
    idea to Seybold, his look indicated that we'd got it all wrong. The
    man sees CherryPal as a true PC. Period. And it's going to run
    software faster than your Vista or ? dare we say it ? Mac OS X-addled
    machine."

    The 5121E is not going to run traditional Office-like software faster
    than Vista (at least not with Linux). While you can run Office
    applications, even with 256MB and a stripped down version of Linux,
    OpenOffice runs slowly. Again, we hope THTF has not mislead you.

    4. Also, with respect to the Register article: there is no chance of
    running iTunes or decrypting (legally) DRM-enabled tracks downloaded
    from another system. Apple's DAAP protocol is also closed. In every
    revision of iTunes they have changed the protocol slightly so the open
    source versions do not work well. Any non-Apple sanctioned device will
    not even relay music from a valid iTunes source without problems.
    FYI, we are quite familiar with Songbird.

    5. Finally, to say that a 5121E based device will be more powerful
    than the EeePC is dangerous. The original EeePC has a 900MHz Celeron-M
    with a 256kb L2 cache. It has 512MB of RAM. It has Intel UMA graphics
    which have a PowerVR *desktop* processor core. The EeePC has enough
    ability to easily play a DVD movie. This is more of a challenge for
    the 5121E. The PowerVR graphic core found in the 5121E is the MBX
    Lite, which is not as powerful.

    Please don't think this all too negative. We just want to set
    expectations properly from the beginning. We understand what you want
    to do and how you seek to position Cherrypal. We think we can help
    you make this happen and look forward to our discussions Friday.

    BTW, we know Ashlee Vance. Ashlee spoke with us before he published
    this article:

    http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/01/10/solaris_on_power/

    We would encourage you to follow the links on this page:

    http://www.genesi-usa.com/partners.php

    We will have more to forward with a signed NDA.

    Best regards,
    R&B
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    Posts: 12081 from 2003/5/22
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    > Maybe Max Seybold listened to you. At least CherryPal never mentioned
    > the iTunes capability again.

    The email is from June 2008. Five months later, the iTunes claim was still present on Cherrypal's website. We discussed it back then:

    https://morph.zone/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?topic_id=6096&forum=11#60329

    I think the claim was there until the recent website relaunch.

    > CherryPal made some assertions in the past that they didn't live up to, another
    > one was cloud-computing. But evidently it's changed

    The Cherrypal Cloud is once more announced:

    "Many free open source-based applications come pre-installed in the C120, as well as optional access to the Green Maraschino Cloud (re-launch February 2010)."
    http://www.cherrypal.com/products.php

    "Re-launch" implies that it had already been launched before. We know that this is not true. The promised Cherrypal Cloud never existed. So it's going to be an initial launch, not a re-launch. And we'll see if "February 2010" holds true.
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    @Zylesea

    Your Mac Mini HD looks slow. I have not performed exactly that benchmark but I can get 44MB/s easily copying from HD to RAM under MorphOS. I use a Western Digital.
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    Intel starts shipping its N450 Atom processor with included northbridge and gfx from january the 4th on. The sddional NM10 will deliver soutbridge capabiliteis and gfx. It's not the big brakthrough, but another step to make Atom based devices more cost and power efficient and give other vedors a hard time.


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    Crumb wrote:
    @Zylesea

    Your Mac Mini HD looks slow. I have not performed exactly that benchmark but I can get 44MB/s easily copying from HD to RAM under MorphOS. I use a Western Digital.

    Did you tested you system with MasterISO? Because that is te referece I use. That bench is not so much about absolute numbers, but to provide a relative value.
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    Quote:

    Did you tested you system with MasterISO? Because that is te referece I use. That bench is not so much about absolute numbers, but to provide a relative value.


    I just copied a 700MB ISO to ram. I got stable 44MB/s and the speed was shown by Ambient for most of the time. I don't own MasterISO (as I don't burn/use CDs/DVDs)
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    @ Velcro_SP

    Quote:

    As well, I don't think we're going to see MorphOS on X86.


    Only time will tell.


    Quote:

    I'm surprised to see such a level of enthusiasm on Morphzone for X86 machines (even from one of the MorphOS Team).


    I am pretty confident that, if a decade ago it had been obvious where PowerPC would be today, MorphOS would have never been written for the Power Architecture in the first place.

    A couple of related posts made back in October (in German):

    http://www.amiga-news.de/de/news/comments/240709.html
    http://www.amiga-news.de/de/news/comments/240701.html
    http://www.amiga-news.de/de/news/comments/240705.html
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    [ Edited by Velcro_SP 06.09.2011 - 05:56 ]
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    > "Re-launch" implies that it had already been launched before. We know that this is not
    > true. The promised Cherrypal Cloud never existed. So it's going to be an initial launch,
    > not a re-launch. And we'll see if "February 2010" holds true.

    https://morph.zone/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?topic_id=6726&forum=11&start=20#71426
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