Hi everyone.

Like most (or all) of us I was waiting for the new release of MOS and I bought it when it arrived. and now? My Peggy crashed!!!!
AAAAAAAARRRRRRRRGGGGGHHHHHHHHh!!!!
That's no possible! F#@]+/ @+?t!!!!!
My Peg, after I powered on makes normal booting then after a variable time shut down (it happaned when I still was in SmartFirmware or after a completed boot or even after 5-10 minutes). When I tried to power on again it didn't go until some minutes passed.
First I thought it was the fan placed over the CPU (that I've changed yet) not able to dissipate heat. I added a second big fan but the problem was still present.
Then I tried changing the graphic board (ATI Radeon 9200 SE - 128), due to the fact I noticed some color garbage on the top-right corner of the screen quickly after the WBStartup executed April (garbage disappear after a mouse movement or click).
So I tried with a 3DFX Vodoo, I booted with early startup meu (selected an 800x600 screen) but after Ambient was launched another shut down occurred...
Last, I tried with another psu (550 W), a new one but it was the same.
And now?!?
The problem is in another place (of motherboard or cpuboard) and I need:
1) Someone that could check my Peggy2 - and that's could be knabe.bwelf.de I don't know about someone else near...
2) Another motherboard... so, another amount of cash...
3) Cash in any case......
4) Fortune.............

SIGH SIGH SNIFF

GAME OVER ------ PLEASE INSERT COIN(S) TO START AGAIN (hysterical laughing...)

Change your PSU (yes, again, little percent of brand new PSUs are faulty :) ). In the meanwhile you can try to disconnect additional HD/CD drives and try run your peg only with main HD. Maybe that soundblaster card is a problem? Disconnect and check all connections :).

[ Edited by Korni on 2008/7/19 15:07 ]

If you still encounter problems, contact Thomas Knabel of bPlan. I'm surely he will help you (as he did for me last year).

Try to change the onboard battery.

@Korni: This is the second PSU I tried. The other has 6 months of life (although, maybe are both faulty..). I tried to disconnect the dvd burner and the second HD and removed SoundBlaster (I think is dead since emu10k audiomodes are not present and livemixer doesn' find card) but same thing..
@ Phantom: I contacted Thomas (really kind person) for the SmartFirmware updated and I explained the problem. He suggested to check cpu fan or psu and, in case of troubles to contact Michele Magliocca here in Italy (although Thomas specified he didn't know for sure if Michele was still in business).
@Player: ...I didn't think about it... Let's see!!!
@ all of you: biggest thanks for suggestions!!!
I'm going to buy glue and nails......

[ Edited by Jambalah on 2008/7/19 16:32 ]

Nothing to do: I checked this very moment: I tried with a new onboard battery but Pegasos fails after around two minutes. I noticed that the Gigabit port had no light on when I inserted the cable. It had that before...
At this point, I disconnected power cable and I won't try anything else: I wouldn't create any damage...

jambalah: im sorry to hear that!
best luck to you bringing your peg back to life!

(in case if it wont happen, see my signature:)

@ sadddam:
thanks I'll do all I can... With an eye looking at your offer ;)

Jambalah
Sorry to hear of your trouble hmm reading the thread i'm afraid its possible that you did not have your SB live fully pluged in and may have powered on the board without it being all the way in the socket (hence it not showing up in mos prefs) and it could have fried something.... also, try maybe a small 250watt psu with only your CPU Card, RAM (try swapping ram too) and gfx card. Also, do you have any pegasos friends where you can try another cpu card?

Hi magnetic!

the Sb seemed well fitted (I fixed with the screw too) but the unexpected shuts down occurred even before I inserted the board. Maybe I finished the work with it and fried something....
I will try with another psu : I should have got an old 300 W psu somewhere... For the CPU, I am sure to be the only MOS-PEG user here..I feel so exclusive =) And sure it's the same nearby... PC invasion!

Thanks

I'm here writing on the laptop this post. Near me, its graceful majesty the Pegasos2 in action playing ANR!
Well, calm! I noticed that once Peggy shut down I can't power on again immediatly even if I disconnected power cable and connected it again.
So I disconnected the psu connector on the motherboard, re-connected again and powered on. It booted and after a couple of minutes shut down again.
I thought (but I coud be wrong) that if boot and ambient are executed correctly my CPU is in a good health state. I even thought (and I don't know why..i. Maybe stinct) to disconnect the fan over the cpu dissipator. It is connected on motherboard not on cpuboard. Booted on, all is ok. Checked mail, activated AMR, listened a little bit of music and all was ok. No shut down. I know this test couldn't be complete but I can't frie my cpu! I powered off PEG after 5 minutes (hope I did'nt exagerate!).
Question: could the fan connected on the mboard create this unexpected shut down for any reason? (I mounted a new fan 'cos the original made a lot of noise and I though it could crash)
I will check with another cpu cooler and will see.

Did you check that your old fan was still rotating when the system crashed? Is it possible that it would simply stop after a few minutes? That could certainly cause the problems you describe.

Of course, one could also imagine other fan failures causing this without the fan stopping, but that seems far-fetched to me.

The fan was rotating (even in this moment... I'm trying to write this post from Sputnik...)
A strange thing: I checked if the cpuboard was fitted in the right way and preesing it softly
the Pegasos power on... What could it mean? I think the problem is in the cpuboard or in his socket
on Peg motherboard....

Pegasos seems to go... But I don't know how stable it is. Howewer system uptime on statline shows 82 minutes. And no shut down occurred
although sufing wiyh Sputnik and listening AminetRadio (and making some configuration mods).
And this after the strange thing happened I wrote before: checking the cpuboard the Peg powered on and never stopped until now.
This seems to confirm some problem on cpuboard itself or better in the cpu socket.
I'm not a tecnician so these are only hypothesis.
Ok now I'm going to power off Peg. Tomorrow I will see..

Hi Jambalah,


IIRC you got your Pegasos for a short time now.
If it had been transported a longer distance, it's possible that the cards on the motherboard have come loose a little bit.
Did you check the seating of your card (CPU, GFX, memory ...) after getting your Pegasos? Maybe handling the fan was enough to give it a little bit better connection.

(Happened to me back when I got my Betatester and the system was more unstable then I expected with lots of random freezes etc. After a friend proposed to check the seating of all cards I never had a problem HW wise.)



Bye HAK

What could it mean? It means that you must have had the power cord plugged in while you were fiddling with pressing on the CPU card and you SHOULD NOT DO THIS. you can KILL YOUR PEGASOS. ALWAYS HAVE PEG UNPLUGGED when messing with pci card, ram, cpu or whatever.

The board probably was not in all the way and not making good contact which is why it was crashing - or the fan is not on right on it overheats..

Quote:

Electric motors, like the one in the fan, can show a certain problem by design: The slower they spin (because of mechanical problems), the more current they draw. A computer with not enough electrical supply is always a funny device. Actually, a stopped motor is almost for sure a short circuit. Perhaps yours wasn't completely stuck, but it was draining too much current from the motherboard anyway.

@ HAK:
I tried to check the seating (although I'm not sure I did it well...) but useless. The problem still stands..
@magnetic:
Don't get angry... I'm a little bit.. crazy and so.. Indeed I did better with my Amigas too(connections on the fly with power on.. sparkes and shut down! But no breaks at all! What a hardware!!).
With Pegasos I tried only to move cpuboard and psu connector on the motherboard (ever touching plastic part) and I obtained a power on (after a shut down) in both ways.
Then I stopped trying or touching anything else and left Pegasos powered off.
@jcmarcos:
It's what I supposed. For this reason I tried with no cpu fan (using another big fan connected to psu connector to cool cpu) but I obtained the same effects..
Well, I think Ii'll try to contact a technicians... first to break omething..

Hi Jambalah

I had a problem similar with yours.
Finally I found the problem. It was the PSU connection
on the motherboard. The PSU plug pins had bigger diammeter so the contact was incomplete for some pins.
I could solve the problem with the help of a screwdriver
making every pin thiner to ensure good contact.
My pegasos was shutting down ramdomless becasuse of this.

Yes it sounds like a psu problem.. iirc its better to use a smaller psu like 250 watt and lower than a huge 500watt monster.

@ diezi7:
I tried to do it (although pin seemed to contact well) but it's the same.....not really the same.. Now Peggy doesn't power on anymore. No kind of activity...
@ magnetic:
Even with 250 W psu (extracted from a power tower) Peggy doesn't work...
Thanks anyway guys, I'll wait for the technician answer or... I'll search for a new Peg...