Hi I have 3 questions to make
First I have a double layer DVD+-R I want to use it with morphos is that possible?
Second I am new in AMIGA OS so I need a good morphos-AMIGA tutorial exist any? . Finally question
Which is the best morphos Game?
Thanks


[ Edited by rigardie on 2006/5/28 23:42 ]

Hi rigardie,

1: I cant remember I ever have found any DVD/CD/DVD-RW etc, that works to use in one operating system and not with another operating system on the same computer.

2: There is the Pegasos book - http://www.wikipeg.org/ - otherwise documentation for software is usually to find with the software.

3. Birdie shoot

[ Edited by gunne on 2006/5/29 10:05 ]

1.Well morphos is probably the exception

The morphos support for DVD/CD +-R/RW is poor too say the least, for instance SCSI-Config doesn't understand Optical units, it insists that those are read-only (this might have been OK in 1994, but not in 2006, h*ll I would say it would have been bad even in 1987, IIRC WORM's was avaible roughly at that date.)

there is no way to format/use DVD-RAM, there is no inbuilt facility to format/use DVD+-R/RW as in OS4 with Mt. Rainier. And to put it bluntly, this is pretty damaging for any 'modern' OS... and SCSI-Config is pretty much simply awful by any standard.

hopefully 1.5 will correct most of that... but I doubt SCSI-Config will be changed... perhaps a bounty?

Beanbandit,

But then You are talking about software to use.

And yes, more good software is useful.

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Well it WAS extremely poor... In version 1.4 you couldn't read a DVD beyond 4GB, but luckily that was fixed in 1.45 version...

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Well, I don't think you should blame SCSI-Config for that... Afaik the drives are NOT handled like "normal" RW drivers, such as HD's but depend on additional support from the OS / external programs. You wouldn't use SCSI-Config to write to disc anyway, would you?

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And it's still OK for most users. If you want to write a DVD, you can do so with FryingPan (shareware software), which will also result in a MUCH more compatible disc (DVD players etc.)

Never understood the great big difference of dragging files & drawers to disc instead of disc writer window... Except that the later one will use space more efficiently, and can burn more compatible discs, of course.

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Who cares whether or not it's built-in or not? And I guess that this "built-in" is a separate program supplied with the OS (only sensible way to do it anyway)

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I kinda saw that one coming

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I guess we all agree on that. Good thing you don't have to use it often.

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IIRC there is a DVD-RAM handler in Aminet somewhere. Don't know where and how good it works (no DVD in my Peg), but I remember I heard some ppl talking about DVD-RAM usage under MOS and that it is *no* prob...

edit:this should be the one I was thinking of: http://de4.aminet.net/disk/misc/DVD-RAM.readme



[ Edited by Zylesea on 2006/5/29 13:57 ]

Zylesea,

This link works better: http://www.aminet.net/search.php?query=DVD

I know about that one... I was the one who said it existed... unfortunately it doesn't seem to create DOSDrivers that work under morphos.

also there is a newer version to that that is called
MakeDrivers

http://main.aminet.net/disk/misc/MakeDrivers.lha

there is supposed to be floating around a even newer version to that one version 1.5 I think... but I can't seem to find it.

I'm interested in knowing what you'd use such DVD write-support for.
I'm not saying it's a useless feature, maybe it could help someone
sometime, but I don't really understand in what situation.

Personally I burn DVDs to make backups or to archive data that I don't
need to have immediately accessible, or to burn discs with data that
I want to give to someone, or to create movie DVDs. In each of those
cases I find it more convenient to use a dedicated program that uses
the space efficiently and supports the special options that exist for
DVDs opposed to "general" writable media. In fact, I'd want to turn
off a built-in DVD write support, because it would be extremely
frustrating to accidentally drop a file on the DVD icon and thereby
create a "coaster".

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any formating or preparing of disc's should be done through the OS relying on 3'rd party software for it as a MUST is simply wrong (remember Burn-IT? where would morphos be without frying pan?), what if Frying Pan suddenly turns out to begin thrashing hardware (CD/DVD Drives)... and the developer stops developing it... what are you then going to do? boot into linux everytime you want to burn a CD/DVD? not the greatest advertising of a new OS (buy/run morphos... but remember to boot into linux every time you wan't to prep or format a DVD-RAM, Zip, Jaz2, REV or similar... because morphos doesn't like removable media)

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eehhh... and then it would be ok for you to have to boot into linux to read/burn a DVD-ROM too? so what's the big deal with reading larger DVD's than 4 GB... use Linux...

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eehhh.... who should I blame then, ide.device/symbios.device (which would make it even more serious)? when it comes to DVD-RAM they are nothing else than something similar to Zip Disc's (in a larger size)... are you saying that Zip's, Jaz/Jaz2's, Orbs, REVs, MO's, WORM's or tape drives shouldn't be possible to be used under Morphos?

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Well, considering the present situation, probably most users prefer "Working, separate, released 3rd party software" to "unreleased version of the OS, which MIGHT have that feature".

Also, I guess it might be possible to do it "OS4 way" with 3d party software aswell, if someone just coded something like that... I just can't see any reason why. "Too many better things to do"

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All of those are obsolete, Mt. Rainier is just useless

But seriously... Maybe "someone somewhere" would have some use for those aswell, but I can't think of any such person, but I sure can think of MUCH more important features, that could be added.

And note that I'm not saying that they *shouldn't* be supported, only that there's no *need for* support. Anyone is free to add support for ANY hardware.

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> but I sure can think of MUCH more important features, that could be
> added.

Indeed. In the "removable media" section, I'd surely appreciate a
fat95 filesystem as standard much more than DVD write support (I
don't really consider CDR/DVDR as "removable" in the classic sense,
it's more a backup medium IMO).