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    Posts: 1 from 2004/5/16
    I've seen this:

    http://www.morphos.net/

    and I'm really shocked.
    Is this real the end ... ?

    What do you think about this.

    Alfred
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    Sphinx_Ra
    Posts: 276 from 2003/3/14
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    It's about time you see this :-)

    And yes, it's the end of MOS and almost the end of this year :-P

    I think you must go to Linux on Peg if you have one...
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    Phantom
    Posts: 381 from 2004/9/7
    ok I saw that too. Nice, very nice :-( :-(
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    Robin
    Posts: 741 from 2003/2/24
    It was discussed in length. The end it's not, just time
    for reconsidering ... development goes on and parts of MorphOS
    are updated now separately. (MUICON,MOSMEDIA,PowerSDL)
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    AyoS
    Posts: 410 from 2003/8/13
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    Maybe after reconsidering how development will be funded... more core funtions will become third Party. Maybe this way the authors will get $$$?? or at least be able to sell their products seperate from the Os. Personally I would have no problem paying for New versions of Voyager ( registered V for the first time in 2000) or Ambient & Amitcp, seperate from Morphos...
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    Robin
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    Sure, I would happily pay for Ambient, V and AmiTCP
    but I dont see that happen :(
    For the users it would be a good thing.
    But it would give Genesi for free what they dont
    want to pay.
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    AyoS
    Posts: 410 from 2003/8/13
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    "But it would give Genesi for free what they dont want to pay."

    I totally agree with You... Genesi should not get for free any part of the OS that has not been "properly" Paid for.

    For us DESKTOP users, is anyone planning an alternative path??

    And Why should Genesi get anything free. If David/MosDev's etc... chooses to sell their products (for example: amitcp, Ambient) seperate, selling seperate doesn't hurt Genesi's bottom line, Mos is not driving sales anyways. This would help the Current Mos users from being in a lurch. As to what is planned for the future?? I don't know...

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    I dont speak polish, http://www.ppa.pl//newsy/aktualnosci.php?p=2336&c=1
    I've no clue if "Projekt Athene" is an Ambient-Replacement, but I
    guessed so ;) Perhaps a polish user can translate ?
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    bbrv
    Posts: 750 from 2003/2/14
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    Robin, that is not true. Worse, you ignore everything that has been and still is being done. The issue is that we don't want to pay what is being claimed - in fact we cannot pay it. We cannot afford to pay it. We don't have enough resources to produce boards and operate the Company *and* pay for MorphOS development. It is just a fact. Maybe, we should set up a PayPal account for all you folks who think our money grows on trees. :-)

    We would like to see MorphOS be very successful, but there is also another problem. The value and the opportunity for the result achieved is not congruent. At least 80% of our sales in 2004 were driven by Linux and not MorphOS. There is not enough money from sales to support MorphOS. Alternatively, we have had in the last few months a couple of opportunities to accept outside financing. We have chosen not to accept the offers that have been made. In one case, it was the people, in another, it boiled do to an issue of control. In the second case, they wanted nothing to do with MorphOS. They wanted us to focus exclusively on Linux and we are still not willing to do that. Remember, Robin, Genesi and bplan do not have "venture" investors. Genesi and bplan only have themselves to pay for everything.

    The Pegasos has cost alot of money and effort to develop. So too, MorphOS. We have contributed financially and significantly to the MorphOS effort. We have provided all core developers with at least two machines since September of 2002 if not more. We gave the machines to them for free. In fact, we shipped another 50 FREE ODWs to developers in the last month. Many of these went to MorphOS developers.

    Did you ever see this:

    http://www.genesi.lu/morphos_statement.php

    The posting on MorphOS.net significantly damaged the biggest opportunity we had for MorphOS. We have a hard time accepting the information posted there. It is not accurate and it twists facts to satisfy the claimants. It is not based on any valid contractual agreement. We never told any of those people listed we would pay those amounts unless they achieved a certain documented result or specific conditions were met. Some of the claims made are complete shams. The individuals know it, they just figured it was a good time to participate in some Genesi-bashing because they know they will not get another cent from us. We won't be blackmailed and that is what that is.

    MorphOS may have to finally go ahead on its own. If that happens we would be willing to bet that it will never gain the level of support we once provided. But, the whole story is not over yet. MorphOS won't die because of us. We are still very interested in its success.

    With regret,
    R&B
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    Robin
    Posts: 741 from 2003/2/24
    I say nothing different. You dont want to pay it,
    because you cant. I no longer say you have to pay it,
    what was my believe in the beginning.
    I fully understand that you cant. And I ignore nothing.
    Or can you show me a sentence in my postings that is
    untrue ?
    For me I can only say that you dont want to pay
    as I dont know your financial position.

    Sorry, if that hurts you. But thats life.
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    Posts: 44 from 2004/6/17
    From: France
    The problem is that we have no visibility on MOS future... If the development of the operating system is stopped, sooner or later software developments will decrease and the MOS user base too.

    Maybe sharing the code of some components can allow users to improve the system. It's maybe better than let all the project fall down. :-(
    When Dre@ms Com3 Tru3!!!
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    Robin
    Posts: 741 from 2003/2/24
    The development is not stopped. Just some components
    are no longer available. It needs time to replace
    things or to even plan what to do.
    The development is more visible than since over a year.
    Even some parts are already given to the users.
    MOSMedia,MUICON,powersdl and that was this week only.
    I think we should give time to the ppl who are interested
    in a future of MorphOS.
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    ThePlayer
    Posts: 1069 from 2003/3/24
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    Hi Robin!
    Athene is an Desktop replacement for MOS, the Poster writes that we have to wait some days till it's ready, and that he will show Athene to us "When it's done".

    What i don't understand why there is no MOS 1.5 release without the Parts that aren't paid now???
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    Posts: 741 from 2003/2/24
    I can only guess why. But take a look at the requests of most users.

    -Fix printing
    -Add TCP/IP
    -Enable Altivec
    -...

    When only one out of the top 3 is "ready" it just makes no sense.
    (I've no clue what is going on, this is really 100% guessing)
    I think that we should be patient now. During the last weeks
    we've brought our concerns and anger to the crew.
    They've seen that we're here. There is not much more we can do now.
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    AyoS
    Posts: 410 from 2003/8/13
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    I just wish that it didn't have to take a mutiny before the
    Captain/Officers decided to address the concerns of the Crew!!
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    Posts: 1948 from 2003/2/23
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    Quote:

    We never told any of those people listed we would pay those amounts unless they achieved a certain documented result or specific conditions were met


    Seems like no-one has any information about the new Ambient anyway. Is there a new Ambient even.. it hasn't been shown anywhere? If there is a new Ambient, is it really that much better compared to what we have now? And the biggest question of them all: is it really worth 26586€?
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    ThePlayer wrote:
    Hi Robin!
    Athene is an Desktop replacement for MOS, the Poster writes that we have to wait some days till it's ready, and that he will show Athene to us "When it's done".

    What i don't understand why there is no MOS 1.5 release without the Parts that aren't paid now???


    Adesktop replacement isn't what most users are looking for.. FireWire, Altivec, Deficon system, Tcp/IP stack, etc..

    The only thing a desktop replacement could help with is the deficon system.

    MorphOS will eventualy die, unless a miracle happens. :)

    Gr,
    Felix.
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    Robin
    Posts: 741 from 2003/2/24
    @hooligan:

    I've seen what zapek made with Ambient in two month.
    Since last Ambient available more than 14 month have
    passed. If only half of whats written in it's description
    is ready I would throw a party when I can get my hands on
    it.

    Thats history now. MorphOS cant die while one of my
    two pegs is still alive, just it would be nice to see
    some more life in it ;-)

    Happy new year :-)
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    Posts: 207 from 2003/2/20
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    @Robin

    Only on one, now i'm really shocked too :-)

    @Sphinx_Ra

    maybe it's the end of the year, but not the
    end of MorphOS.

    [ Edited by roschmyr on 2005/1/1 5:10 ]
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    Posts: 2057 from 2003/6/4
    Simple as that: MOS is no dead.
    MOS 1.4 is quite usable and I am very optimistic we'll see an update
    in the not too distant future. Latest signs of life (MUIcon, MOSMedia,
    PowerSDL) were a good sign. Things are still progressing.
    Happy new year 2005!
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    ...and Matthias , my friend - RIP
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  • Just looking around
    Posts: 4 from 2005/1/21
    From: Beaumont, Texas
    wOw....

    Here I am, a former Amiga© addict/repair tech, looking to jump back into the middle of the Amiga scene after years and years being tied to a Micro$haft machine to find ....this....

    I have been researching and catching up on the Amiga community over the last few days to get a feel for all the new developments out there.

    I even dug out all my old Amiga hardware (several machines and countless hardware) in an effort to revitalize my profiecency. My first goal was to see if I could reach the Internet thru my PCMCIA card on my A600HD. But alass my Ser# that came with my orig AmiTCP disks are lost.

    Ok, so I download this cool Amiga emulator for the PC called WinUAE. Very nifty fix to help me catch up.... run workbench on a window and search the web for help in the background. (Needless to say, one must take classes on WinUAE just get through all the bells & whistles it has). So that is still a work in progress...

    Then I run across this "AmigaOne" on the web. I went to pages and web sites and drooled over the new hardware and OS. I was lightheaded over the prospect that I could "go home" to the PC I've grown to love, and see that when I finally woke up from my dream, that there would be the New Amiga with an up-to-date OS waiting for me.

    That lead me to even more related links.... I came upon MorphOS. I looked at the screen shots and was totally blown away by what I saw. Even better than I had ever imagined was displayed right before my very eyes.

    I saw sleek new Icons, Apps like DvD players, CD recorders, MP3 music apps and some of the most stunning backgrounds that would put any windowz PC to shame.

    Then I dig.... I dig deeper... got to find out what the users themselves say... whats the rattle.. gimmie the news....

    Thump my head and make it sound like a mellon.... I find that the dream has run upon rock ground and is said to be finished before *I* even get started.

    God bless Jay Miner and his dream, because he is probably turning over in his grave if he'd ever read some of the threads in this forum.

    Bad hardware, an awesome OS that has all but come to a screaching hault?

    It is loyal Amiga fans that have kept the dream alive all these many years. That transends any OS's that get developed, any hardware thats added....

    Like Rumple Stilskin, I will once again sleep for 100 years and hope that next when I wake, the world will be brighter than that I've seen today.

    Time to call my buddy at Software Hut to get the dealers inside story on the matter...

    May god bless...

    Shad


    [ Edited by Shad on 2005/1/21 9:54 ]
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    Robert
    Posts: 331 from 2003/5/12
    @Shad:

    I'm a little puzzled at your post.

    Quote:

    I run across this "AmigaOne" on the web. I went to pages and web sites and drooled over the new hardware and OS. I was lightheaded over the prospect that I could "go home" to the PC I've grown to love, and see that when I finally woke up from my dream, that there would be the New Amiga with an up-to-date OS waiting for me.

    ....

    I came upon MorphOS.

    ....

    I find that the dream has run upon rock ground and is said to be finished before *I* even get started.



    Hardly.

    Apart from the fact that MOS is quite usable as it is, what would stop you from getting A1/AOS, since development there continues?

    Quote:

    Like Rumple Stilskin, I will once again sleep for 100 years and hope that next when I wake, the world will be brighter than that I've seen today.



    I see no logic in this.

    If you, as you say, honestly want a new system, just buy one.
    Either Peg11/MOS or A1/AOS or, like me, both. :-D
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    Posts: 4 from 2005/1/21
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    One does not "buy" until one has all the answers and can make an informed decission on the matter.

    Im still in my fact finding phase at this point.

    The whole jest of what I was saying was that I had "awoken" from sleep (that is to say, away from the Amiga community) for 10 or more years.

    Nothing more, nothing less...
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    Zylesea
    Posts: 2057 from 2003/6/4
    Shad, I guess the situation with MOS is not as bas as many ppl claim it is. Of course the situation could be ways better (well, it could have been so nice and easy...), but the car is not totally driven into the wall.

    MOS 1.4.2 just kicks some serious a#s as is is now - it's really fun. Some nice applications are under development also. The only unsure thing is how the system itself will evolve in future, but the more users there are, the better the chance the developers will get back on track and work on one common system update. If all run away now the game is overof course...

    If you have some spare bucks and some free place at your dektop just join the "Pegasos club" (I guess some used Pegs are on sale now, so it's bargain time now!).
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    ...and Matthias , my friend - RIP
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    Posts: 4 from 2005/1/21
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    I appreciate your cander. I did look at the A1 systems, then at MOS... and it's a no-brainer compairing the two. I still a bit confused about the hardware tho... Isn't the AmigaOne and PeG built around the same hardware?

    Lets say I did want to one of the new systems. Can one buy the hardware and add trhe software ala-carte? Or is it all fienced-in as a bundle type thing?

    And what type of hardware has the "least" amount of problems. (Im not a speed junkie so slower is better if it works well)

    Thx,

    Shad
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