Hi Guys just wanted to let you know that Pegasos boards are in stock

Regards
Ultra Spec Team

http://www.ultraspec.us/pegasos.htm

Good news for those of us in the US!

Nexus Vivid Blue case w/ 330W psu (Screwless design for easy future modifications)
Pegasos II Mainboard and Motorola G4 Processor @ 1Ghz
ATI Radeon 9200 SE 128MB Graphics card
40GB Hard Disk Drive
256MB (DDR256) PC2100 RAM
Standard Keyboard and Mouse
Standard CDRW drive

1495 Dollars ...
That must be a joke ;o)
A good but a bit outdated Mainboard, a midrange cpu and the rest is old crap except the nice case.

Plz tell me in what kind of reality we are?

I would pax 700 MAX for that kind of a System!

Cu
Infinity

As a consumer it's your choise to go elsewhere and buy from someone else. Yay capitalism!

I must admit the price is steep, but they have the boards and are trying to cut a profit with a very specialist product - that increases costs.

By the sound of things you would be better served with a Pentium4 if a PegasosII/G4 is outdated in your opinion.

@ Infinity

You dont have to buy it if you think it so expensive. I also think
Vesalia would be cheaper for german user but I dont think you would
even buy it there.

>By the sound of things you would be better served with a Pentium4 if a PegasosII/G4 is outdated in your opinion.

Outdated means in this case that G5 (Or P4 if you like) processors, 400Mhz or faster ddr ram, five times larger harddisks and three generations newer graphikcards are available at half the price at nearly any supermaked around - NOW.

Welcome back on earth ;)

Thats why I wrote 700 Dollars max for that "a bit outdated" system.

I like the Pegasos, thats not the point (btw I'm still waiting for mine, but thats a different story) but why should I fit old and slow hardware in such a cool system (mainboard/cpu)?
ATI 9200 "SE" <- that thing (sorry) has never been fast.
"40GB" Harddrive <- unbeliveble to sell the "Largest System in Store" with such a tiny Harddrive - at least here in Germany.

Ok enough of that. I just wanted to say that I think that the system and it components are to expensive.

Cu
Andreas
Infinity
www.isengard.de

@Infinity

I also think it's too much. But they probably had to pay for currency change, shipping, customs, etc ...

And even if you use a faster GFX card, I don't think it'll be a lot "faster" with the AGP slot in the Peg2.

40GB is quite small, agreed. But, except if you download movies, music & stuff all day, burn them, do video/audio editing ... you don't need much more on Pegasos to run everyday apps.

Fred

@ChatDEau
Yes you are right, 40gb are more than enough for the everyday use.
My 4000ppc has 4gb and thats enough for "her" ;) but the reason for that is that there is no software on the marked which could need more - most filesystems loosing their orientation on harddisks larger than 4gb on amiga :( but the lady is 12 years old now and there are not much 12 years old system with 128 Megs of ram and a 4gb harddrive on the run today. ;)

@DJBase
Um es einfacher zu machen, in deutsch.
Wir hatten das Thema schon mal von ein paar Monaten.
Ich habe meinen Amiga in den letzten drei Jahren nur noch aus Hobby zum Demoprogrammieren benutzt. Für die meißten dinge, die ich sonst so mache, gibt es keine software mehr für ihn und/oder ist er schlichtweg zu langsam.
Da ich mein Hobby gerne mache und der Pegasos für mich (bzw unsere Truppe) eine ideale Umgebung darstellt, hatten wir uns bei dem Democontest beworben. Da ohne die Rechner, die den 10 Gruppen zugesagt waren, keine Competition stattfindet, entwickeln wir auf dem Amiga weiter.
Das heißt nicht, dass ich kein Interesse am Pegasos/Morphos system habe, nur sehe ich nicht ein, auf ein versprochenes System zu verzichten und im selben Atemzug für 600€ eins zu kaufen. (Bitte nicht vergessen, dass ich sämtliche Geräte für den Pegasos schon seit fast einem Jahr hier liegen habe!)
Sobald die Competition offiziell abgesagt ist, was ich nicht hoffe, und keine Versprechungen mehr im Raum stehen, kann es gut sein, dass ich es mir anders überlege, aber so fühle ich mich im Moment eher hingehalten und vergessen.

Gruß
Andreas

[ Edited by Infinity on 2004/8/25 23:16 ]

[ Edited by Infinity on 2004/8/25 23:20 ]

@Infinity:

Why post such comments? If dont like their prices you are not obliged
to attack them! Pfff...

Buy an AOne from Eyetech instead...

bye

@Breed

I think some "posters" just comment to be heard, or to get a reaction.
Sometimes it annoys me, but most of the time I have other things to do
so I just ignore the "obvious" comments.

Katos1

Hi Infinity,

On how many of those $700 machines can you run MorphOS? Right. Zero. The entire point of purchasing a Pegasos is to run MorphOS.

Or, if you are a business or industrial customer, as a low-power-output linux box.

So, sure, the price is a bit high, but if you want to run MorphOS you have to pay it.

If MorphOS ran on those $700 machines then your comparison would make sense. In this case, however, you should be comparing the price to an AmigaOne. I think you will find the Pegasos is the better value at the moment.

I'll admit the price is a bit high, but you can buy just the board and add your own stuff like I did. My total system was $950 to build after spending $618 (I think) from the pegasosppc.com online store. I got all the other parts at newegg.com after that.

Pricing stuff today I looked for you.

$775 for the G4 Pegasos II from Ultraspec
$35 for SEVERAL awsome 300W PSU towers at newegg.com
$27 for a radeon 7000, or $65 for a 9200
$65 for 512MB PC2700 RAM $30-55 for 256MB
$10 for a CD ROM drive, $25 for DVD or CD-R, $80 for DVD-/+RW
$12 for keyboard, $5 for mouse

If you get the system with a Radeon 7000, 256MB RAM, CD-R/RW, and the cheap keyboard and mouse it will be a total of $909, not bad at all now is it?

@ Infinity

Es geht hier nicht um geschenke Boards sondern um den Preis und die Leistung. Offensichtlich hast Du Dir eine CSPPC für mehrere hundert Euro/Mark gekauft und fandest es wohl in Ordnung. Nur beim Pegasos ist es plötzlich zu teuer und die Hardware aus der Steinzeit? Oder hast Du die CSPPC etwa auch geschenkt bekommen?

[Vielleicht sollte ich auch einmal mehr Meckern und bekomme dadurch vielleicht ja auch ein Board für umme.]

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As I said in another thread here's the perfect thing people have to to do make our resellers LEAVE and not LIVE...

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At those price, you'll receive,
a noisy PSU, vith a radeon 9200 SE, first price RAM (with associated quality of course), an optical drive which make you feel like taking off in an old propeller moved plane, and a keybord and mouse with max 1 year of life (you'll destroy the keyboard and mouse yourself when it doesn't respond to your request correctly)

I find that Ultraspec prices are High, but not THAT high

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I think it is better for resellers to concentrate on selling stuff, that isn't available in every other computer shop...

Of course there are some exceptions, such as pre-built systems, stuff, that had better be tested (f.ex. memory modules for Pegasos-1), old hardware (Voodoo, Radeon 7000...) that isn't too often available at many computer shops anymore (but is more than enough / better supported for most Pegasos users)

@ all
The Price of the Pegasos and its CPU is ok. That thing is rare, produced in low quantities and also needed to run MorphOS. No Problem.

The thing is, that the rest of the "Custom System" is overpriced.
720 US Dollar (595€) are to much for that parts.

// All prices are from www.mindfactory.de
- Case (they don't have exactly that one but a good one from coolermaster costs about 100€)
- 9200SE (41€)
- 256mb ram (80€)
- 40gb Harddrive (Maxtor 45€)
- KB / Mouse (Logitech) (29€)
- CD-ROM LG (12€)
= about 305€ (368 US Dollar)

By the way, the choosen components were not the cheapest ones!

@breed
I don't want to attack anyone of you and what I've wrote has absolutely nothing to with "attack". I think the only attack and also useless part in this tread is your eyetec comment.

@DJBase
Um ein geschenktes board ging es mir nicht bei meinem eingentlichen kommentar und von "Meckern" kann man da auch nicht reden. Mir fiel lediglich auf, dass das "Custom System" von den us-jungs etwas sehr teuer geraten ist und da darf man doch drüber reden, oder?

Gruß
Andreas

I find it ironic that someone from Germany would care about the price of a Pegasos in the USA.

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No comment...

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Das liest sich anders, denn für $700 bekommst man so ein System nirgends, wenn das Board schon alleine $600 kostet, oder nicht? "Trash talking" nenne ich sowas.

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We all know 'trash talking' don't we?

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You can get that tower for $25 with no PSU and th eone it comes with is not bad, and hardly loud. I said Radeon 7000 which has no fan on the one I got, The mouse is a logitec PS2 mouse, Keyboard is no name yes, but I have used the sme one for over two years now, the CD-RW drive is a OEM Sony drive. I the RAM is Kingston life time RAM, not the first price RAM, I could have got the crap RAM for way less in this example. The PEgasos WAS purchased at a local USA dealer in the case. I didnt get mine from a dealer only because back then none had a G4 and I ordered mine just before Genesi built a new run.

All I did was show people if they want a decent system it can be done for less then $1000 and to stop crying about the high prices. If you go REAL cheap you can get one for only $800

>I would pax 700 MAX for that kind of a System!

Too expensive? You could get a barely used G3 Peg2 for 310EUR, see
http://www.pegasosforum.de/viewtopic.php?p=4610&sid=7700469f55d66070e9268c8962b75d01

>Too expensive? You could get a barely used G3 Peg2 for 310EUR, see

Hey tarbos,
thanks a lot, thats a GOOD price, the man got a mail a few seconds ago ;o)
Lets hope that the board is still for sale.

cu
andreas
infinity/creative minds
www.isengard.de

Wow, not a bad price at all!! Makes me wish I was in Germany!!!

Hello everyone :) I want to thank all of you for the comments. It seems as if Infinity is a very discriminating user. Unfortunately, the Pegasos hardware is not cheap. The subject of pricing comes up often, so I will explain it once again: Genesi does not offer substantial discounts to their resellers. We spend as much as you guys do on the Pegsaos hardware.

As for the other parts, the Radeon 9200 SE, 40GB HDD, etc -- Of course they are not the latest and greatest. They are tested and known to be reliable. Rather than sell the customer system components the Pegasos hardware won't fully take advantage of (Faster than DDR266 RAM, larger capacity ATA-133 or SATA hard drives) we use parts that are, simply, going to work. For example, we won't use a graphics card that is not well supported in both MorphOS and Linux or a hard drive that is known to have the "click of death".

We also pre-load the machines with MorphOS and Linux, and seeing some of the comments on the board, a lot of customers appreciate that, as they are not yet ready to install Linux on their own.

Finally, compare our system to Genesi's ODW system both in price and performance. You are all welcome to build your own dream machine if you do not like what's out there :)

And if you do, please tell us all about it!
Thanks again, Michael, Ultraspec.