so when do we get to see these bad boys powering the pegasos?

Poundsmack

You will be stripped of your title as Priest of the Order unless you get a pegasos!



magnetic

i jsut got my pay check i am ordering it SOON I thknk magnetic is jellous i passed him up in rank

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Ouch

Some "facts" for you:

* We aren't using the 1.42GHz model
* You can order 100 and get the same prices as the current G4 models

It won't be long now. The price of the Pegasos isn't going to skyrocket because of the cost of a new G4 processor.

Will the CPU cards be sold separately as well so we can upgrade?
I'm guessing all the Peg 2 G3 owners would love to get their hands on our cheap second hand MPPC7447 boards as well. :)

so none of the new moddels with have the 1.42GHz ? why?

It's expensive and Genesi/bPlan need to start making a profit so they can start spending money on research and development again? Afaik these CPUs have to be bought in bulk.

We buy in >1000s, direct from Motorola.

Motorola sells in <100s to anyone who pays for them. The prices are a guide, not a rule.

The actual price Motorola state is more like "$245 to everyone, in any reasonable quantity, for every batch of 100,000 that we make". Therefore while they are producing 100,000 processors at once, they will be around $245 each.

Note, the same way that a Pentium 3.2GHz processor used to be $800, but you could get a 2.4GHz one for $200, we are talking about the extreme top end of the range. PowerPC processors are really not as expensive as Apple's prices would make out.

The reason why Genesi won't go with the 1.42GHz model in the main isn't price, but because we are eager to go passively cooled! It's a balancing act between performance and silence. I have no idea what speed grade the bPlan guys have actually chosen to go with, but it's a more complex process than pointing to a catalogue page while blindfolded :)

Oh, and according to the management, the 7447A will be available as an upgrade. If you have a G3 processor for the silence, you can get extra performance. If you have a G4 you will get extra silence and perhaps some other treats too ;)

Neko

Good points Neko. Buying the latest and fastest CPU has never been a good deal anyway, people who do that are either overimpulsive or, um, stupid. ;)

BTW, how much does one 1GHz MPPC7447 and one 600MHz PPC750Fx cost (average), just the CPU, not the entire CPU-board? (I'm only wondering out of curiosity)

Pegasos uses 750CXe and not FX.

CXe:
- 256Ko of L2
- Max Freq 700 Mhz

FX:
- 512 Ko of L2
- Max Freq 1 Ghz

For the price, I have simply no idea.

Bye

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parts of that I agree with, but one sortof example

the 970FX I think is *vital* to the growth of ODW's
granted G4 can maybe get the job done, but eventually I'll wish I had put the 970fx in to begin with (not that pegs use 970fx)

Oh, I didn't mean G4 vs. G5 but rather what we see on x86 where for instance a P4 3.2GHz cost about twice as much as a P4 3GHz when it was released.
I would happily pay extra for a G5, but they need a new controller etc so it's not really an option in this case.

hello guys,

you should not forget the fsb frequency. the Pegasos II G4 1 ghz 7447 has a 133,1/3 mhz fsb but the G4 1,42 or 1,5 ghz, i heard about this on AmigaImpact in Februay or March, has a 166,2/3 mhz fsb. is it to toggle the fsb via the firmware on the motherboard between these 2 frequencies ? and does the motherboard and/or the firmware support actually a 166,2/3 mhz frequency ?

bye,

Brumiga

The firmware knows about 166MHz FSB's already, although as far as I can see the Discovery II only supports a 133MHz CPU bus speed.

The 7447A will be configured to run at the highest possible speed that the hardware will run at, on boot.

dholm: about prices, I could tell you, but then I'd have to kill you :)

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[ Edited by Velcro_SP on 2011/3/12 1:43 ]

The MV64361 in the Pegasos II supports up to 133 MHz FSB:

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(quote taken from this page)

So the 7447A FSB on the Pegasos will likely be limited to
133 MHz, which isn't really a big deal IMO, since the real advantage of
a speedy bus and DDR is the ability for a dual or quad "pumped"
FSB (several memory access times per bus clock cycle), which
the G4 isn't capable of anyhow. (Unfortunately, the FSB has been for
years one of the G4's weakest attributes in comparison to AMD/Intel.)

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thus the dichotomy I therefore struggle with.
peg2? or 970mac? ..ad nauseum

Or you could wait for the Pegasos III which is said to be a G5 system.

that will be a happy day indeed